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Old August 31st 10, 02:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.rides
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Franki-boy Krygowski is still (!) confounded

On Aug 31, 12:06*am, Frank Krygowski wrote to
MikeWhy:

However, despite the claims and implications you and Jute continue to
make


I'm just laying on the table the straight facts from an official
compilation by the authorities in New York covering the eight years
1996 to 2003 of all the deaths (225) and serious injuries (3,462) in
cycling accidents in all New York City. The purpose of the study was
an overview usable for city development planning, not helmet advocacy,
so your particular obsession of helmet usage was only noted for part
of the period among the seriously injured, amounting to 333 cases.
Here are some summary numbers from the study:

• Most fatal crashes (74%) involved a head injury (same as in every
other study, no surprise).
• Nearly all bicyclists who died (97%) were not wearing a helmet.
• Helmet use was only 3% in fatal crashes, but 13% in non-fatal
crashes

Source:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/download...ike-report.pdf

Clearly, helmets were effective life-savers in 9.62% or approximately
33 cases, and a larger lifesaving can reasonably be projected to New
York and the nation in the presence of mandatory helmet legislation
and enforcement.

In real life, unlike in your favorite study, confounding factors do
apparently matter. Competent and unbiased statisticians know this,
and have written about it extensively - for those who are actually
willing to read.


I do love the sneer of "for those who are actually willing to read".
Yo, Krygowski, you sad statistical illiterate, those "competent and
unbiased statisticians" musta been abducted by you and tortured by
repeated retellings of your life story until they would confess to
pedophilia, never mind contort statistics, because any competent
statistician will tell you that a full universe compilation of 3687
actual incidents over a period of eight years is not a sample, it is a
portrait, and it is definitely not confounded: All those 225
fatalities are dead, all the 3462 seriously injured cyclists are
seriously injured, whatever you say now. And it is guaranteed that of
the 225 fatalities only 3% wore helmets and of the 333 seriously
injured cyclists for whom helmet wear was noted, 13% wore helmets,
conclusion obvious: helmets save lives. Those are the facts,
regardless of whether you like them or not.

The only one confounded, confused and constipated here, is you, Franki-
boy Krygowski. The only people here who are ignorant enough to want to
adjust a full universe compilation with a sample size so vastly over
3000 (go read up the meaning of the 3000 and amaze yourself) are you,
Franki Shavelegs, and the permanent RBT moron McNamara.

Hope this helps clear up the matter for you. I must admit that, like
Mike, I'm running out of patience with your obtuseness and inability
to learn anything at all.

Andre Jute
Pass me up a brick to knock Krygowski's brains into gear
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Old August 31st 10, 03:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.rides
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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Default Immaturity in adult conversations

On Aug 30, 9:08*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

Pass me up a brick to knock Krygowski's brains into gear


Andre, some fourth grader has gotten control of your computer. Or
perhaps your mind. I suspect the latter.

Restrain him, would you? He's really obnoxious.

- Frank Krygowski
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Old August 31st 10, 04:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.rides
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Anti-helmet zealot admits he has no answer to New York cyclingaccident study

Poor Frank Krygowski. He has no answer to the New York compilation of
cyclist fatalities and serious injuries over an eight year period,
suggesting very strongly what we all know, that helmets save lives.
Krygowski cut my explanation of the New York numbers in total and
substituted this juvenile silliness:

Andre, some fourth grader has gotten control of your computer. *Or
perhaps your mind. *I suspect the latter.

Restrain him, would you? *He's really obnoxious.

- Frank Krygowski


Here is what Krygowski cut restored:

***

On Aug 31, 12:06*am, Frank Krygowski wrote to
MikeWhy:

However, despite the claims and implications you and Jute continue to
make


I'm just laying on the table the straight facts from an official
compilation by the authorities in New York covering the eight years
1996 to 2003 of all the deaths (225) and serious injuries (3,462) in
cycling accidents in all New York City. The purpose of the study was
an overview usable for city development planning, not helmet advocacy,
so your particular obsession of helmet usage was only noted for part
of the period among the seriously injured, amounting to 333 cases.
Here are some summary numbers from the study:

• Most fatal crashes (74%) involved a head injury (same as in every
other study, no surprise).
• Nearly all bicyclists who died (97%) were not wearing a helmet.
• Helmet use was only 3% in fatal crashes, but 13% in non-fatal
crashes

Source:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/download...ike-report.pdf

Clearly, helmets were effective life-savers in 9.62% or approximately
33 cases, and a larger lifesaving can reasonably be projected to New
York and the nation in the presence of mandatory helmet legislation
and enforcement.

In real life, unlike in your favorite study, confounding factors do
apparently matter. Competent and unbiased statisticians know this,
and have written about it extensively - for those who are actually
willing to read.


I do love the sneer of "for those who are actually willing to read".
Yo, Krygowski, you sad statistical illiterate, those "competent and
unbiased statisticians" musta been abducted by you and tortured by
repeated retellings of your life story until they would confess to
pedophilia, never mind contort statistics, because any competent
statistician will tell you that a full universe compilation of 3687
actual incidents over a period of eight years is not a sample, it is a
portrait, and it is definitely not confounded: All those 225
fatalities are dead, all the 3462 seriously injured cyclists are
seriously injured, whatever you say now. And it is guaranteed that of
the 225 fatalities only 3% wore helmets and of the 333 seriously
injured cyclists for whom helmet wear was noted, 13% wore helmets,
conclusion obvious: helmets save lives. Those are the facts,
regardless of whether you like them or not.

The only one confounded, confused and constipated here, is you,
Franki-
boy Krygowski. The only people here who are ignorant enough to want to
adjust a full universe compilation with a sample size so vastly over
3000 (go read up the meaning of the 3000 and amaze yourself) are you,
Franki Shavelegs, and the permanent RBT moron McNamara.

Hope this helps clear up the matter for you. I must admit that, like
Mike, I'm running out of patience with your obtuseness and inability
to learn anything at all.

Andre Jute
Pass me up a brick to knock Krygowski's brains into gear

***
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Old August 31st 10, 05:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.rides
Bill Sornson[_6_]
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Default Franki-boy Krygowski is still (!) confounded

This probably blew his mind:

http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/u...ing-helmet.jpg

Bill "and some say the claims are exaggerated" S.
 




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