Apology

On 4/15/2020 3:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/15/2020 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/14/2020 8:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Trump, though, has people checking and double checking
him so that he
has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a
President. He is
criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather
than he is
wrong.

Earth to Tom.

There has never, ever been a less accurate President of
the United
States than Donald Trump. He is an inveterate
compulsive liar, an
incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock. Trump
has no
understanding of constitutional government, balance of
power, separation
of powers, limits on his power (even though in large
measure that is
what the Constitution exists to do). He thinks he is a
king and
unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like
one. There has
never been a President more destructive to our nation
than Donald Trump.
Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for
decades to come from
these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in
office).

And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump
completely
rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from
inside or
outside of his administration. The people who attempt
to do so wake up
one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or
they are just
forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and
hostility. He takes
his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes.


You set some pretty low standards there but lots of
unqualified doofuses meet them.

Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria
ISIS is the JV Team
Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict
ACA will save a family $2500 per year.
You can keep your doctor.

That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician
and a few minutes' research will show plenty more.

My pick:
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...trump-in-three



16,241 to five.

So far.

As long as we're in that area, "If we pass this civil
rights bill, we'll have the n*gra vote for a hundred
years"Â Oh, wait. That was a blunt heartfelt truth.

A) Who are you pretending to quote?
B) Got that on tape, or on some official transcript?
C) Most pertinent: Are you saying it was a lie - that they
would NOT have the black vote?

I'm talking about statements that are shown to be false, or
at least seriously misleading. If you're still arguing that
16241 is not greater than five, I think you can easily find
five times Trump claimed he didn't say what he's on camera
saying. And often within a few days!

Just to whet your appetite:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/polit...ing/index.html


You're in an area where truth itself now is the enemy of
all players, as evidenced by the twists of the editors in
your link.

No, sorry. "Truth is now the enemy of all players" is a
claim as vague as the all-purpose "Fake news." It descends
into an unreality where there is no difference between fact
and fiction.

All 16,000 claims of Trump's falsehoods are inaccurate
smears? All are just creative editing? Start here and explain:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...t-three-years/


Or start he
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...line_manual_35
Hey, it's searchable!

Similarly, full employment is good for the nation and
incidentally benefits the President. Those are the two
main reasons it's so rabidly opposed.

Documentation, please. Who precisely has said they oppose
full employment? Did they say they oppose it specifically
because it's good for Trump?


Here's Lyndon 'bought his first election' Johnson:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-d...s-two_b_933995

Now that truth and data have no meaning, deaths by anything
where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is
called a death by the Chinese virus. Oh, that helps
epidemiology a lot.


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:13:00 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/14/2020 9:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:23:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/14/2020 6:14 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Trump, though, has people checking and double checking him so that he
has some of the fewest errors I've seen from a President. He is
criticized by the left because he is an outsider rather than he is
wrong.

Earth to Tom.

There has never, ever been a less accurate President of the United
States than Donald Trump. He is an inveterate compulsive liar, an
incurable braggart, and a self-deluding peacock. Trump has no
understanding of constitutional government, balance of power, separation
of powers, limits on his power (even though in large measure that is
what the Constitution exists to do). He thinks he is a king and
unfortunately a lot of Americans want him to act like one. There has
never been a President more destructive to our nation than Donald Trump.
Indeed, our form of government will be damaged for decades to come from
these four years (and, God forbid, his next four years in office).

And as for your laughable but pathetic statement, Trump completely
rejects anything remotely resembling fact-checking from inside or
outside of his administration. The people who attempt to do so wake up
one morning to find out they've been fired by tweet, or they are just
forced from office by Trump's sheer malevolence and hostility. He takes
his daily marching orders from Fox News and off he goes.


You set some pretty low standards there but lots of
unqualified doofuses meet them.

Chemical weapons are a red line in Syria
ISIS is the JV Team
Fighting ISIS will be a generational conflict
ACA will save a family $2500 per year.
You can keep your doctor.

That's just off the top of my head. Pick your politician and
a few minutes' research will show plenty more.

Amazingly, this President is still derided after the fact
even when it's baseless:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...from-covid-19/

But hey if you're enjoying yourself, carry on.

p.s. As I mentioned here recently, I often hear the radio
news from several networks on small town AM stations and I
can't say they differ in any noticeable way. They're all
anodyne and curt. What do you think makes Fox different from
SRN news? or ABC news? Really I don't get it.

What I find infuriating about the news is that they tend to have lurid
headlines and normally lack sufficient details for the listener/viewer
to determine what actually happened.

+1
I hear more ineptitude than political influence. YMMV

But I do believe that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to
write about controversial subjects without at least a tiny bit of your
own prejudices creeping into the article.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:09:18 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

Now that truth and data have no meaning, deaths by anything
where the Wuhan virus is either present or suspected is
called a death by the Chinese virus. Oh, that helps
epidemiology a lot.

And in counting up the cost, are we going to include the people who
died because they were afraid to go to the emergeny room, or because
"elective" surgery turned out to be a bit more urgent than was
thought?

Not to mention that poverty kills.

The shortage of data-gathering equipment is going to cost us dearly
when the next SARS epidemic starts to spread.


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:02:44 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Interesting concept. Note that Thailand has had less then 1%
unemployment since 2011, until the current virus episode.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Actually a government can have a very large effect on employment
levels. Singapore, for example, where offering essentially tax free
status to companies that would relocate to the Island, guaranteeing no
labor problems, and low overhead costs, has attained a very high rate
of employment. In fact over a million foreigners work in Singapore so
the number of jobs is actually larger than the number of Singaporean
to fill them.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.
--
cheers,

John B.

On 4/15/2020 7:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.


Odd situation, that. Your elites need to pick up their game!

Here we just spent $2.2 trillion (no kidding
$2,200,000,000,000.00) which we do not have. Of that, some
$350 billion will be paid later or much later in $1200
increments to each taxpayer who reported under $99K. Of
those taxpayers something between 10 and twenty percent are
recently unemployed and some subset of those are in dire
need. Not so much now as a week or two ago. They're
desperate now.

Some sharp guy, like you maybe, will ask where the big
chunk, some 85%, went. Good question! Who knows and who
cares? We're all Argentines now! Among the beneficiaries is
Boeing, who posted zero [0, big fat null] in aircraft sales
for January, well before the Chinese virus arrived on the
front page of your paper. Well that oughta work out. Anyone
care to explain that to waitresses, some of whom have been
borrowing money for 2 weeks already?

Every story seems to have a twist to add insult to injury.
Of late the giveaway to pals program is being called
'stimulus'. WTF? Doesn't anyone read economics? There's
healthy demand and ample supply but there's a regulatory ban
on commerce. What is this supposed to stimulate again? Not
consumption and not production at any rate.

I'm not done. The porkfest was enjoyed by both Houses with
the Senate diving in 96 to zero. And our President signed
the damned thing.

We're so over.



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:31:06 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2020 7:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.


Odd situation, that. Your elites need to pick up their game!

Here we just spent $2.2 trillion (no kidding
$2,200,000,000,000.00) which we do not have. Of that, some
$350 billion will be paid later or much later in $1200
increments to each taxpayer who reported under $99K. Of
those taxpayers something between 10 and twenty percent are
recently unemployed and some subset of those are in dire
need. Not so much now as a week or two ago. They're
desperate now.

Some sharp guy, like you maybe, will ask where the big
chunk, some 85%, went. Good question! Who knows and who
cares? We're all Argentines now! Among the beneficiaries is
Boeing, who posted zero [0, big fat null] in aircraft sales
for January, well before the Chinese virus arrived on the
front page of your paper. Well that oughta work out. Anyone
care to explain that to waitresses, some of whom have been
borrowing money for 2 weeks already?

Every story seems to have a twist to add insult to injury.
Of late the giveaway to pals program is being called
'stimulus'. WTF? Doesn't anyone read economics? There's
healthy demand and ample supply but there's a regulatory ban
on commerce. What is this supposed to stimulate again? Not
consumption and not production at any rate.

I'm not done. The porkfest was enjoyed by both Houses with
the Senate diving in 96 to zero. And our President signed
the damned thing.

We're so over.

He didn't just sign it. He's withholding the checks until his name is embossed on them.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:31:06 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2020 7:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.


Odd situation, that. Your elites need to pick up their game!

Here we just spent $2.2 trillion (no kidding
$2,200,000,000,000.00) which we do not have. Of that, some
$350 billion will be paid later or much later in $1200
increments to each taxpayer who reported under $99K. Of
those taxpayers something between 10 and twenty percent are
recently unemployed and some subset of those are in dire
need. Not so much now as a week or two ago. They're
desperate now.

Some sharp guy, like you maybe, will ask where the big
chunk, some 85%, went. Good question! Who knows and who
cares? We're all Argentines now! Among the beneficiaries is
Boeing, who posted zero [0, big fat null] in aircraft sales
for January, well before the Chinese virus arrived on the
front page of your paper. Well that oughta work out. Anyone
care to explain that to waitresses, some of whom have been
borrowing money for 2 weeks already?

Every story seems to have a twist to add insult to injury.
Of late the giveaway to pals program is being called
'stimulus'. WTF? Doesn't anyone read economics? There's
healthy demand and ample supply but there's a regulatory ban
on commerce. What is this supposed to stimulate again? Not
consumption and not production at any rate.

I'm not done. The porkfest was enjoyed by both Houses with
the Senate diving in 96 to zero. And our President signed
the damned thing.

We're so over.

He didn't just sign it. He's withholding the checks until his name is embossed on them.

-- Jay Beattie.

No Problem as I see that the Golden Boy is now threatening that, "If
the House will not agree to that adjournment I will exercise my
constitutional authority to adjourn both chambers of Congress," he
said.

What's next? the burning of the Reichstag, the Enabling Act, rule by
edict?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:26:20 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 00:02:44 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Interesting concept. Note that Thailand has had less then 1%
unemployment since 2011, until the current virus episode.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week
means you are employed, many people actually work for multiple
"employers" in an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Actually a government can have a very large effect on employment levels.
Singapore, for example, where offering essentially tax free status to
companies that would relocate to the Island, guaranteeing no labor
problems, and low overhead costs, has attained a very high rate of
employment. In fact over a million foreigners work in Singapore so the
number of jobs is actually larger than the number of Singaporean to fill
them.

Your post is almost a 100% example of lies, damm lies and statistics. The
real situation in singapore is not the rose view painted by GovCo.
Where GovCo is concerned, they can write the definitions of how the
statistics are measured. Hence "employed = 1 hour of work per week" here.

I reguard truth in Singapore as a hairs breath away from truth in China.
At least here we have a "free" press that isn't afraid to lead with the
UNDERemployment figure which is double to treble the official
unemployment figure. Well, it was until all those people on "bridging
visas" were told to **** off, aka go home.

On 4/15/2020 8:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 5:31:06 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/15/2020 7:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:38:37 -0500, AMuzi wrote:


Similarly, full employment is good for the nation

Nit pick, the term "good" is relative.
5% unemployment is the modern desired levelof unemployment to provide
flexibility for employers. This provides a pool of workers for employer
to immediately recruit from.

Also, a lot of employment is defintelty not full time, but part time and
while GovCo peadles(bicycle content) the lie that one hour per week means
you are employed, many people actually work for multiple "employers" in
an effort to survive.
"The gig economy' is just a modern term for what has been going on for
decades.

and incidentally benefits the President.

Only a moron believes the top of GovCo has anything directly to do with
such a situation and only a moron thinks they can make it positive for
any length of time.

Our "conservatives" are now shelling out money like no onw has even done
before. For every schekle the peons get, their business mates are
pocketing ten.


Odd situation, that. Your elites need to pick up their game!

Here we just spent $2.2 trillion (no kidding
$2,200,000,000,000.00) which we do not have. Of that, some
$350 billion will be paid later or much later in $1200
increments to each taxpayer who reported under $99K. Of
those taxpayers something between 10 and twenty percent are
recently unemployed and some subset of those are in dire
need. Not so much now as a week or two ago. They're
desperate now.

Some sharp guy, like you maybe, will ask where the big
chunk, some 85%, went. Good question! Who knows and who
cares? We're all Argentines now! Among the beneficiaries is
Boeing, who posted zero [0, big fat null] in aircraft sales
for January, well before the Chinese virus arrived on the
front page of your paper. Well that oughta work out. Anyone
care to explain that to waitresses, some of whom have been
borrowing money for 2 weeks already?

Every story seems to have a twist to add insult to injury.
Of late the giveaway to pals program is being called
'stimulus'. WTF? Doesn't anyone read economics? There's
healthy demand and ample supply but there's a regulatory ban
on commerce. What is this supposed to stimulate again? Not
consumption and not production at any rate.

I'm not done. The porkfest was enjoyed by both Houses with
the Senate diving in 96 to zero. And our President signed
the damned thing.

We're so over.

He didn't just sign it. He's withholding the checks until his name is embossed on them.

Will we have to swear fealty to cash them?


--
- Frank Krygowski