I never thought I'd wear a necktie with a bike jersey.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:43:47 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/8/2020 11:56 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:

It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.


My wife has found a good pattern for a face mask. It’s curved to fit your
face better and has a pocket for a nose wire to help it conform better to
the upper part of your face. I tease her that it’s just an adaptation of an
underwire bikini pattern, but it works reasonably well.

Here's a modification someone should work on: Elastic holders that don't
dislodge hearing aids.

The typical behind-the-ear loops don't work with most hearing aids. The
around-the-back elastic loops are better, but my wife once dislodged a
hearing aid when taking her mask off inside our car. It took me 45
minutes to find the thing. Apparently, it flew out and lodged invisibly
between the seat and center console.

Since then, I've modified each homemade masks' elastic to be two pieces
each that hook behind the head. Turns out that's much better, but not
ideal, feeling blindly to do the hooking. I think the next iteration
will have one end of the elastic snap onto the mask at the right.

Here most people wear face masks but more and more I see those who are
exposed to others for long periods - clerks in stores, for example -
wearing a clear plastic face shield rather than a conventional mask.
One type is similar to a workman's face shield used for grinding or
other similar tasks and the another is mounted on ear pieces similar
to conventional glasses but with full face coverage.

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 7/8/2020 11:56 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:

It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.


My wife has found a good pattern for a face mask. It’s curved to fit your
face better and has a pocket for a nose wire to help it conform better to
the upper part of your face. I tease her that it’s just an adaptation of an
underwire bikini pattern, but it works reasonably well.

Here's a modification someone should work on: Elastic holders that
don't dislodge hearing aids.

The typical behind-the-ear loops don't work with most hearing
aids. The around-the-back elastic loops are better, but my wife once
dislodged a hearing aid when taking her mask off inside our car. It
took me 45 minutes to find the thing. Apparently, it flew out and
lodged invisibly between the seat and center console.

Since then, I've modified each homemade masks' elastic to be two
pieces each that hook behind the head. Turns out that's much better,
but not ideal, feeling blindly to do the hooking. I think the next
iteration will have one end of the elastic snap onto the mask at the
right.

Instead of elastic, I have equipped the masks that I sewed with four
eyelets, near the corners, and run a length of paracord through them.
The first loop goes over the neck, into the bottom two eyelets, out the
top two eyelets, then tie behind the head. It's not as quick to put on
as elastic ear loops, but it's much more adjustable, and works well when
wearing for longer periods.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-5, Joy Beeson wrote:
It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

I'm guessing you are a woman with a name like Joy. Men who have worn a necktie for business or formal social occasions, define a "necktie" as a long strip of cloth that is wider at one end than the other. It is tied around the neck using a full windsor, half windsor, or 4 in 1 knot. What you were wearing is not considered a necktie by anyone on earth.

Hmmm, I guess that you have never actually worn formal attire, often
referred to as a "Tuxedo" where the "necktie" is a rather short,
narrow piece of cloth tied in a "bowknot".
The "bow tie" can even be worn with less formal attire like a business
suit.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 7/8/2020 2:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/8/2020 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-5, Joy Beeson wrote:
It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find.Â* I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft.Â* Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off.Â* Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot netÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

I'm guessing you are a woman with a name like Joy.Â* Men who have worn
a necktie for business or formal social occasions, define a "necktie"
as a long strip of cloth that is wider at one end than the other.Â* It
is tied around the neck using a full windsor, half windsor, or 4 in 1
knot.Â* What you were wearing is not considered a necktie by anyone on
earth.


I understood Joy clearly from the header and I've worn a tie daily for
40+ years.(skinny one inch, full Windsor)

James Bond would have disapproved.

"Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor knot. It showed
too much vanity. It was often the mark of a cad."


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/8/2020 3:44 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/8/2020 11:56 AM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:

It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.


My wife has found a good pattern for a face mask. It’s curved to fit your
face better and has a pocket for a nose wire to help it conform better to
the upper part of your face. I tease her that it’s just an adaptation of an
underwire bikini pattern, but it works reasonably well.

Here's a modification someone should work on: Elastic holders that don't
dislodge hearing aids.

The typical behind-the-ear loops don't work with most hearing aids. The
around-the-back elastic loops are better, but my wife once dislodged a
hearing aid when taking her mask off inside our car. It took me 45
minutes to find the thing. Apparently, it flew out and lodged invisibly
between the seat and center console.

Since then, I've modified each homemade masks' elastic to be two pieces
each that hook behind the head. Turns out that's much better, but not
ideal, feeling blindly to do the hooking. I think the next iteration
will have one end of the elastic snap onto the mask at the right.


Or Velcro. It’s less sensitive to alignment, and should therefore be
easier to connect behind your head.

True. But snaps are more retrogrouchy! ;-)

Hey, I've got it! Leather straps with buckles!


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/8/2020 5:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-5, Joy Beeson wrote:
It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

I'm guessing you are a woman with a name like Joy. Men who have worn a necktie for business or formal social occasions, define a "necktie" as a long strip of cloth that is wider at one end than the other. It is tied around the neck using a full windsor, half windsor, or 4 in 1 knot. What you were wearing is not considered a necktie by anyone on earth.

Hmmm, I guess that you have never actually worn formal attire, often
referred to as a "Tuxedo" where the "necktie" is a rather short,
narrow piece of cloth tied in a "bowknot".
The "bow tie" can even be worn with less formal attire like a business
suit.
--
Cheers,

John B.


Warning! Bicycle content:
https://diffuser.fm/files/2014/03/pe...0205481041.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/8/2020 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/8/2020 2:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/8/2020 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-5, Joy
Beeson wrote:
It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my
mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything
that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and
regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride
since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off.Â
Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and
Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net      Â
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

I'm guessing you are a woman with a name like Joy. Men
who have worn a necktie for business or formal social
occasions, define a "necktie" as a long strip of cloth
that is wider at one end than the other. It is tied
around the neck using a full windsor, half windsor, or 4
in 1 knot. What you were wearing is not considered a
necktie by anyone on earth.


I understood Joy clearly from the header and I've worn a
tie daily for 40+ years.(skinny one inch, full Windsor)

James Bond would have disapproved.

"Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor
knot. It showed too much vanity. It was often the mark of a
cad."



meh. All the same to a deplorable.

Meanwhile everyone has his own likes and dislikes. The Euro
asymmetric granny knot for example:

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...election-4.jpg

Frank should drop in here to mention that one should not
take fashion too seriously:

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/...brothers_0.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:49:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/8/2020 12:26 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 9:56:04 AM UTC-5, Joy Beeson wrote:
It's a puffy white cravat that I can pull up over my mouth and nose
when I get off.

It's a very simple mask that doesn't call for anything that's hard to
find. I may post a tutorial once we dump Comcast and regain access to
our Web site.

I'm off to my first not-getting-back-for-lunch ride since the skin
graft. Wearing band-aids to keep the sun off. Leaving rather late --
gotta remember how it's done.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

I'm guessing you are a woman with a name like Joy. Men who have worn a
necktie for business or formal social occasions, define a "necktie" as
a long strip of cloth that is wider at one end than the other. It is
tied around the neck using a full windsor, half windsor, or 4 in 1
knot. What you were wearing is not considered a necktie by anyone on earth.

I'm pretty sure Joy is on earth.

And checking references, others seem to view the two as subspecies.
"... cravat is a wide fabric band worn as a necktie..."

I'm glad this came up. We haven't had a good flame war for several days!
;-)

Permit me to add some fuel to the growing fire. Having grown up in
the garment district of Smog Angeles, such trivia is common knowledge.
Please forgive me for omitting the dates as I'm too lazy/busy to find
them.

The cravat and neck tie have different origins. The cravat was
originally a napkin used as a place mat while eating, a bib, or a
towel to clean up after eating.
https://www.darcyclothing.com/collections/mens-neckwear
At various times, dinner guest customarily also brought their own
knives, drinking cups, and plates because such things were considered
personal equipment and provided some security against assassination by
poisoning. Eventually, the threat of poisoning decreased sufficiently
that the host was expected to provide the eating utensils. They did
so, but dulled the knives to discourage carnage during improvised
duels over political discussions.

The neck tie was a smaller version of the cravat that originated when
full beards came into fashion. The problem was that shirt did not fit
depending on how recently the beard was trimmed. Shirts were designed
with detachable collars to accommodate this variation in size. The
collars were held in place with studs. Most were made from cheap
cardboard and were disposable. This also was cheaper because the
entire shirt didn't need to be washed every time the collar became
dirty.
https://www.darcyclothing.com/collections/mens-collars
The problem was that everything came together at the open end of the
collar, which looked very sloppy. So, the varying collar gap, the
brass stud, and the potentially wrong size collar were hidden from
view by a bow tie, string tie, cravat, or whatever was in fashion.
Whatever the style, it was literally a "neck tie".

Neck fitting became less of a problem after WWI when beards instantly
fell out of fashion because it was not possible to obtain an air tight
seal over a gas mask with a beard. It's likely that today's hipster
style beards might also go out of fashion quite soon because of face
masks.

"The Cummerbund: 5 Facts Every Gent Should Know"
https://www.mytuxedocatalog.com/blog/the-cummerbund-5-facts-every-gent-should-know/
Although wearing a tuxedo while cycling is unlikely to become
fashionable, the history of the cummerbund offers some insight into
the origins of today's formal attire.

Drivel: I have a photo somewhere of my father on a skiing vacation in
Germany in about 1947. Two meter or longer wooden skis, wool suit,
vest, and a silk tie was the standard skiing attire. It was a rare
day that I saw him in public without a tie. Even though he knew the
origins and the danger, he would wear a tie while working with
rotating machinery (sewing machines). Times have changed.



I think that that one wins “Post of the Day�.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:56:01 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

My wife has found a good pattern for a face mask. It’s curved to fit your
face better and has a pocket for a nose wire to help it conform better to
the upper part of your face. I tease her that it’s just an adaptation of an
underwire bikini pattern, but it works reasonably well.

Don McCunn http://forums.how-to-make-sewing-patterns.com/ uses bra
findings to make custom-fitted masks that fit better than any
mass-produced mask, and he says that he's giving some of them to
medical professionals.

Instead of using a wire, I tuck masks under my glasses.

The orange one that I wear mostly to get out of putting band-aids on
my nose and chin when I go out in the sun and wind, I put on before
putting on my glasses. That brings the mask well up my nose to cover
the keratosis scar as well as the skin graft.

It's beginning to look as though I'll be all healed up before wearing
a mask everywhere requires explanation. And I've got a couple of pink
burns that were old news in April, so I expect to be still covering my
chin when I get my wool clothes out of the blanket box.

Since I dare not go near any people, the white-cravat mask is pretty
much symbolic.

I sweated four band-aids off today, and that was all the spares I'd
brought with me. I now have eight 3/4" bandaids and two 1" bandaids
in my pocket notebook.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Joy Beeson wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:56:01 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

My wife has found a good pattern for a face mask. It’s curved to fit your
face better and has a pocket for a nose wire to help it conform better to
the upper part of your face. I tease her that it’s just an adaptation of an
underwire bikini pattern, but it works reasonably well.

Don McCunn http://forums.how-to-make-sewing-patterns.com/ uses bra
findings to make custom-fitted masks that fit better than any
mass-produced mask, and he says that he's giving some of them to
medical professionals.

Instead of using a wire, I tuck masks under my glasses.

The orange one that I wear mostly to get out of putting band-aids on
my nose and chin when I go out in the sun and wind, I put on before
putting on my glasses. That brings the mask well up my nose to cover
the keratosis scar as well as the skin graft.

It's beginning to look as though I'll be all healed up before wearing
a mask everywhere requires explanation. And I've got a couple of pink
burns that were old news in April, so I expect to be still covering my
chin when I get my wool clothes out of the blanket box.

Since I dare not go near any people, the white-cravat mask is pretty
much symbolic.

I sweated four band-aids off today, and that was all the spares I'd
brought with me. I now have eight 3/4" bandaids and two 1" bandaids
in my pocket notebook.


Thanks, Joy. I’ve passed the link to Don McCunn’s web site on to my wife
and I suspect that I’ll start seeing enhanced masks soon. As an avid
quilter, she has hundreds of meters of different fabrics in her sewing
room, so they come out looking great.