|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' status forbike shops"
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/retail-news/2020/03/17/some-bay-area-stores-declare-themselves-essential-and-remain-open-despite
Mike Jacubowsky, who used to post in this group, is quoted. He also has a letter to the editor in the latest paper issue but I could not find it online. The web site is not updated with the latest issue right away. |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:10:53 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/retail-news/2020/03/17/some-bay-area-stores-declare-themselves-essential-and-remain-open-despite Mike Jacubowsky, who used to post in this group, is quoted. He also has a letter to the editor in the latest paper issue but I could not find it online. The web site is not updated with the latest issue right away. Don't you think that bike shops are essential? Even if just for exercise and not commuters there is absolutely no doubt that you have to have bike repairs made by professionals. Since I have put one of my new bikes in the shop to have the Di2 wiring installed among some other things, it upsets me that the owner hasn't been to his shop since these shelter in place directives have come down. I think that this owner probably has a mother or some such to take care of but it is virtually impossible to protect people from a virus we are now hearing can exist on metal or glass surfaces for up to week. That means ever bottle or can to come in the front door is a source of infection. All you have to do is go to a supermarket and observe the preposterous lengths that they are going to force "social distancing" in the checkout lines while you can observe that every can and bottle and box and plastic bread wrapper has been touched and moves by dozens of other customers attempting to find the best out of a diminishing selection of whatever. This means that the answer to the problem is not shelter in place but a medication that can ameliorate the worst symptoms and they appear to have three of them right now. The HIV medication which does destroy this specific type of virus, hydroxychloroquine which is reported to completely stop the worst symptoms in 8 to 12 hours and transfusions from those who have gotten over the disease. This last bit is almost impossible to achieve since you have to have proof of them having antibodies against the disease but when you're only testing those who have symptoms, you already know that they do not have the antibodies. Until the point that they can achieve widespread testing of the population as a whole you cannot tell the mortality rates nor use the transfusions except in the case of those who have been tested and showed they were over it. And because of the laxity they are showing with the testing, this number is tiny and this means of treatment is limited. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential'status for bike shops"
|
#5
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
On 4/7/2020 3:33 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:31:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This means that the answer to the problem is not shelter in place but "Answer" to the problem? Unless you are a prepper prepared to wait out the fall of civilization in your bunker, no. "Shelter in place," "social distancing," etc., are management strategies not solutions. a medication that can ameliorate the worst symptoms and they appear to have three of them right now. The HIV medication which does destroy this specific type of virus, Not yet proven. Would be great if it pans out, we know how to make those by the millions of doses. hydroxychloroquine which is reported to completely stop the worst symptoms in 8 to 12 hours Well, reported by Trump and his proxies, not reported by reputable medical professionals yet (unless something has come out in the last hour). Chloroquine and its derivatives are not safe medications- for example, they can cause your heart to malfunction and stop. Any powerful medication is by definition not safe. And also it would be great if this pans out- something to ameliorate symptoms of COVID-19 would be tremendously helpful. and transfusions from those who have gotten over the disease. This last bit is almost impossible to achieve since you have to have proof of them having antibodies against the disease but when you're only testing those who have symptoms, you already know that they do not have the antibodies. Which is why Mayo Clinic is putting its antibody test into action shortly and the University of Minnesota has also developed one. Then he can identify people who may have developed immunity which can be hopefully conferred to others. Again, what a boon that would be! This is on the assumption that getting over the infection results in antibodies and immunities. Until the point that they can achieve widespread testing of the population as a whole you cannot tell the mortality rates nor use the transfusions except in the case of those who have been tested and showed they were over it. And because of the laxity they are showing with the testing, this number is tiny and this means of treatment is limited. The "laxity" with the testing in the US is the fault of Trump and Co. There was an established test from WHO put to good use in other countries with good results (e.g., South Korea) but the Trump administration refused it... costing thousands of American lives. Oh, but that's right, you think he's a wonderful president. Please continue to disregard reality. Left wing source, quoting a Democrat Party elected official: https://www.newsweek.com/dem-lawmake...avirus-1496469 -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:53:45 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 3:33 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:31:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This means that the answer to the problem is not shelter in place but "Answer" to the problem? Unless you are a prepper prepared to wait out the fall of civilization in your bunker, no. "Shelter in place," "social distancing," etc., are management strategies not solutions. a medication that can ameliorate the worst symptoms and they appear to have three of them right now. The HIV medication which does destroy this specific type of virus, Not yet proven. Would be great if it pans out, we know how to make those by the millions of doses. hydroxychloroquine which is reported to completely stop the worst symptoms in 8 to 12 hours Well, reported by Trump and his proxies, not reported by reputable medical professionals yet (unless something has come out in the last hour). Chloroquine and its derivatives are not safe medications- for example, they can cause your heart to malfunction and stop. Any powerful medication is by definition not safe. And also it would be great if this pans out- something to ameliorate symptoms of COVID-19 would be tremendously helpful. and transfusions from those who have gotten over the disease. This last bit is almost impossible to achieve since you have to have proof of them having antibodies against the disease but when you're only testing those who have symptoms, you already know that they do not have the antibodies. Which is why Mayo Clinic is putting its antibody test into action shortly and the University of Minnesota has also developed one. Then he can identify people who may have developed immunity which can be hopefully conferred to others. Again, what a boon that would be! This is on the assumption that getting over the infection results in antibodies and immunities. Until the point that they can achieve widespread testing of the population as a whole you cannot tell the mortality rates nor use the transfusions except in the case of those who have been tested and showed they were over it. And because of the laxity they are showing with the testing, this number is tiny and this means of treatment is limited. The "laxity" with the testing in the US is the fault of Trump and Co. There was an established test from WHO put to good use in other countries with good results (e.g., South Korea) but the Trump administration refused it... costing thousands of American lives. Oh, but that's right, you think he's a wonderful president. Please continue to disregard reality. Left wing source, quoting a Democrat Party elected official: https://www.newsweek.com/dem-lawmake...aved-her-life- recommending-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-1496469 Again, another antedotal mention without medical proof. Obviousy not a whacko christian otherwise they'de have stated that reading the bible saved them FWIW, the french study has been shown to have cerry picked tat data to suport their hypothesis. The wuhan data is also purely antedotal, and in the first place it wasonly reported as helping with symptoms in mild cases and not as preventative or a cure. Reminds me of horehound; as an ammeliorate, the disease is often a better choice. The |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
On 4/7/2020 7:14 PM, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:53:45 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/7/2020 3:33 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:31:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This means that the answer to the problem is not shelter in place but "Answer" to the problem? Unless you are a prepper prepared to wait out the fall of civilization in your bunker, no. "Shelter in place," "social distancing," etc., are management strategies not solutions. a medication that can ameliorate the worst symptoms and they appear to have three of them right now. The HIV medication which does destroy this specific type of virus, Not yet proven. Would be great if it pans out, we know how to make those by the millions of doses. hydroxychloroquine which is reported to completely stop the worst symptoms in 8 to 12 hours Well, reported by Trump and his proxies, not reported by reputable medical professionals yet (unless something has come out in the last hour). Chloroquine and its derivatives are not safe medications- for example, they can cause your heart to malfunction and stop. Any powerful medication is by definition not safe. And also it would be great if this pans out- something to ameliorate symptoms of COVID-19 would be tremendously helpful. and transfusions from those who have gotten over the disease. This last bit is almost impossible to achieve since you have to have proof of them having antibodies against the disease but when you're only testing those who have symptoms, you already know that they do not have the antibodies. Which is why Mayo Clinic is putting its antibody test into action shortly and the University of Minnesota has also developed one. Then he can identify people who may have developed immunity which can be hopefully conferred to others. Again, what a boon that would be! This is on the assumption that getting over the infection results in antibodies and immunities. Until the point that they can achieve widespread testing of the population as a whole you cannot tell the mortality rates nor use the transfusions except in the case of those who have been tested and showed they were over it. And because of the laxity they are showing with the testing, this number is tiny and this means of treatment is limited. The "laxity" with the testing in the US is the fault of Trump and Co. There was an established test from WHO put to good use in other countries with good results (e.g., South Korea) but the Trump administration refused it... costing thousands of American lives. Oh, but that's right, you think he's a wonderful president. Please continue to disregard reality. Left wing source, quoting a Democrat Party elected official: https://www.newsweek.com/dem-lawmake...aved-her-life- recommending-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-1496469 Again, another antedotal mention without medical proof. Obviousy not a whacko christian otherwise they'de have stated that reading the bible saved them FWIW, the french study has been shown to have cerry picked tat data to suport their hypothesis. The wuhan data is also purely antedotal, and in the first place it wasonly reported as helping with symptoms in mild cases and not as preventative or a cure. Reminds me of horehound; as an ammeliorate, the disease is often a better choice. The I agree with you. These are anecdotes but there aren't anecdotes of harm and as I've written frequently lately, we'll know a lot more in a couple of years. That said, for a guy who cannot breathe now, waiting a few years for a more full understanding is a poor choice. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' status for bike shops"
On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:22:44 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/7/2020 3:33 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:31:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This means that the answer to the problem is not shelter in place but "Answer" to the problem? Unless you are a prepper prepared to wait out the fall of civilization in your bunker, no. "Shelter in place," "social distancing," etc., are management strategies not solutions. a medication that can ameliorate the worst symptoms and they appear to have three of them right now. The HIV medication which does destroy this specific type of virus, Not yet proven. Would be great if it pans out, we know how to make those by the millions of doses. hydroxychloroquine which is reported to completely stop the worst symptoms in 8 to 12 hours Well, reported by Trump and his proxies, not reported by reputable medical professionals yet (unless something has come out in the last hour). Chloroquine and its derivatives are not safe medications- for example, they can cause your heart to malfunction and stop. Any powerful medication is by definition not safe. And also it would be great if this pans out- something to ameliorate symptoms of COVID-19 would be tremendously helpful. and transfusions from those who have gotten over the disease. This last bit is almost impossible to achieve since you have to have proof of them having antibodies against the disease but when you're only testing those who have symptoms, you already know that they do not have the antibodies. Which is why Mayo Clinic is putting its antibody test into action shortly and the University of Minnesota has also developed one. Then he can identify people who may have developed immunity which can be hopefully conferred to others. Again, what a boon that would be! This is on the assumption that getting over the infection results in antibodies and immunities. Until the point that they can achieve widespread testing of the population as a whole you cannot tell the mortality rates nor use the transfusions except in the case of those who have been tested and showed they were over it. And because of the laxity they are showing with the testing, this number is tiny and this means of treatment is limited. The "laxity" with the testing in the US is the fault of Trump and Co. There was an established test from WHO put to good use in other countries with good results (e.g., South Korea) but the Trump administration refused it... costing thousands of American lives. Oh, but that's right, you think he's a wonderful president. Please continue to disregard reality. "Well, reported by Trump and his proxies, not reported by reputable medical professionals yet" That was demographically posited weeks before the President mentioned it because Lupus sufferers, who are prescribed hydrochloroquine, were underrepresented in Wuhan virus positives. After noticing that anomaly, a French doctor tried a small set with positive indications, followed by others in other countries. I pointedly did not say 'proven' or 'effective' or 'cured' because so far no one has run a 'half get treated, half die' test. But as was clearly stated, 'may be helpful'. Even I am surprised at how vicious the criticism of that statement has been, claiming the protocol will needlessly kill people, DJT is no doctor and so on. So I called an acquaintance who lives with Lupus. She reports no problems after some 20 years of using hydrochloroquine. In fact, one reason it's suddenly available in great quantities is that it's neither new nor rare. What you write is true. However the hydrochloroquine literature does state that "an overdose may cause death". But, of course, an over dose of many things will cause death :-( As always, a simple factual statement such as, "I just do not like the guy" would be much better than making things up. -- cheers, John B. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 6:22:54 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
As always, a simple factual statement such as, "I just do not like the guy" would be much better than making things up. There's also "I like the guy no matter what he does." That too makes hard to have reasonable discussions or evaluations of performance. And in a democracy, we have a duty to evaluate performance. - Frank Krygowski |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
"Confusion reigns as states reverse course on 'essential' statusfor bike shops"
Am 08.04.2020 um 02:24 schrieb AMuzi:
I agree with you. These are anecdotes but there aren't anecdotes of harm and as I've written frequently lately, we'll know a lot more in a couple of years. Yes, anecdotes of harm go round as well, of people who took the stuff without medical supervision and killed themselves with it. It is *always* a bad idea to propose some medicine to the public rather than proposing medicine to doctors who prescribe it to sufferers. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Levi Clearly States His Status Re Radio Shack | DA74 | Racing | 7 | August 3rd 09 09:53 PM |
Evolution "status" | Jkohse | Unicycling | 15 | February 7th 08 12:31 AM |
"John "Cho" Gilmer keeps publishing his "Manifesto" over and over." | Hoodini | Racing | 0 | April 23rd 07 12:38 AM |
Anyone know the status of "extension of the Wenatchee bike trail Loop? | Angilina | Rides | 1 | April 9th 06 05:25 AM |
R.I.P. Jim Price (aka. "biker_billy", "sydney", "Boudreaux") | spin156 | Techniques | 15 | November 28th 05 07:21 PM |