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On 27 Aug 2005 06:29:52 -0700, "Perry"
wrote: Some pro-Lance posters maintain that, yes, he could have been 'cured' of testicular cancer with chemo because this type of cancer is 'primitive' and very 'susceptible to chemotherapy.' THE POINT IS, however, Lance the spinmeister sez his cancer had spread to his lungs and brain(!) THESE types of metastatic malignancies ARE NOT 'primitive' and are not easily cured by chemo. THIS IS THE POINT most doubters make. And to date, no credible individual 'cured case' has come forward to offer his- or herself as a parallel to Armstrong's claims. Yeah, those big horseshoe scars in his head were fake. Dumbass troll. |
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"IMKen" wrote in message ... Clearly this is a "Witch Hunt". If the tests were performed for research then they would have used models injected with EPO, taken their urine and then tested it. To perform research we have to have some known values. To do it in a "Random Manor" would leave the research meaningless. Ken Don't you mean Wizard Hunt? Looks like the caught the whizzing Wizard. |
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B. Lafferty says...
IMKen wrote... Clearly this is a "Witch Hunt". If the tests were performed for research then they would have used models injected with EPO, taken their urine and then tested it. To perform research we have to have some known values. To do it in a "Random Manor" would leave the research meaningless. Don't you mean Wizard Hunt? Looks like the caught the whizzing Wizard. Confusious say: "Easy to find what one looks hard enough for - even if not there in first place." |
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Montesquiou wrote in message
... "DepartFictif" a écrit dans le message de news: ... besides.. using the same sample to do a B test is insane.. if it has been tampered with, then what the **** is the point of having an A and B test? It isn't only against possible errors by the lab that there are A and B test, but also due to mix-ups, sabotage etc etc.. how on earth can you claim that you can use the same sample to do both and A and B test!!! (it's not a question) The question is the following : Did Lance used drog for to win the 1999 TDF ? If according the result of the Lab he used EPO, no doubt about it : he is a liar and a dishonest. Maybe you ought to look at those results a little closer. I believe that Lance was tested every day after the Seistrierre stage (9th is memory serves). Why would he test positive on stages 9 and 10 and not 11? then 12 and 13 and no others after that? There was also the critical TT at Futuroscope for the 19th stage. Why, of course there is that latest study which demonstrated that the test for EPO isn't selective enough. It shows several different proteins that aren't connected to EPO and are generated in the body during exercise stress. Then of course there is the other point - EPO doesn't cause the body to instantly make more blood cells. It works over time. Taking EPO DURING the Tour probably wouldn't be a particularly good idea completely aside the fact that he could have overshot and been caught with high hc. .. |
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"Tom Kunich" a écrit dans le message de news: t... Montesquiou wrote in message ... "DepartFictif" a écrit dans le message de news: ... besides.. using the same sample to do a B test is insane.. if it has been tampered with, then what the **** is the point of having an A and B test? It isn't only against possible errors by the lab that there are A and B test, but also due to mix-ups, sabotage etc etc.. how on earth can you claim that you can use the same sample to do both and A and B test!!! (it's not a question) The question is the following : Did Lance used drog for to win the 1999 TDF ? If according the result of the Lab he used EPO, no doubt about it : he is a liar and a dishonest. Maybe you ought to look at those results a little closer. I believe that Lance was tested every day after the Seistrierre stage (9th is memory serves). Why would he test positive on stages 9 and 10 and not 11? then 12 and 13 and no others after that? I am not competent for to do a correct and clear analyse of the results as published by L 'Equipe. My impression is that we note a climax (Level 96.6 stage 9) then a decrease on the following day (Level 88.7 stage 10). What the level of EPO who can be detected ? I don't know. Had the Lab done a test on a all the Lance's sample or just in some by randomic choice ? I don't know. Important to remember that the Lab had just as reference an arcane Nber ( 185 557 for the stage 9) and the focus was not to analyse Lance Armstrong. I don't know if you have a copy of the l'Equipe; There is in the edition 3 copy picture of the lab document. Do you know if there is a reproduction of l"Equipe page 2 ? Because if you have not this picture it will be difficult to explain. There was also the critical TT at Futuroscope for the 19th stage. Why, of course there is that latest study which demonstrated that the test for EPO isn't selective enough. It shows several different proteins that aren't connected to EPO and are generated in the body during exercise stress. Then of course there is the other point - EPO doesn't cause the body to instantly make more blood cells. It works over time. Taking EPO DURING the Tour probably wouldn't be a particularly good idea completely aside the fact that he could have overshot and been caught with high hc. . |
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A DNA test would show if the sample was indeed Lance's
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Who says the lab tested every one of Lance's sample? Lance use this same
argument on Larry King Live, "What about the other 17 samples I gave during that tour?", blah, blah, blah... "why didn't those samples come up positive?" Hey Lance u dumbass, its because the lab did not test all of your samples? I stand corrected if someone can point out if every sample on file was tested during the so called research... BTW Who is less useful than Larry King ? "Tom Kunich" wrote: Montesquiou wrote in message .. . "DepartFictif" a écrit dans le message de news: ... besides.. using the same sample to do a B test is insane.. if it has been tampered with, then what the **** is the point of having an A and B test? It isn't only against possible errors by the lab that there are A and B test, but also due to mix-ups, sabotage etc etc.. how on earth can you claim that you can use the same sample to do both and A and B test!!! (it's not a question) The question is the following : Did Lance used drog for to win the 1999 TDF ? If according the result of the Lab he used EPO, no doubt about it : he is a liar and a dishonest. Maybe you ought to look at those results a little closer. I believe that Lance was tested every day after the Seistrierre stage (9th is memory serves). Why would he test positive on stages 9 and 10 and not 11? then 12 and 13 and no others after that? There was also the critical TT at Futuroscope for the 19th stage. Why, of course there is that latest study which demonstrated that the test for EPO isn't selective enough. It shows several different proteins that aren't connected to EPO and are generated in the body during exercise stress. Then of course there is the other point - EPO doesn't cause the body to instantly make more blood cells. It works over time. Taking EPO DURING the Tour probably wouldn't be a particularly good idea completely aside the fact that he could have overshot and been caught with high hc. . |
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IMKen a écrit :
Clearly this is a "Witch Hunt". If the tests were performed for research then they would have used models injected with EPO, taken their urine and then tested it. To perform research we have to have some known values. To do it in a "Random Manor" would leave the research meaningless. Sigh. It was already said that WADA wanted the research done to learn to what extent the riders had changed their behavior. The research was not about the testing technique but about human behavior. You can believe this or not, but it sure is rational. B |
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