Chain cover that can be left on bike when riding

On 4/17/2020 11:25 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 3:39:58 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/17/2020 9:30 PM, Steve Weeks wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:40:26 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/17/2020 4:35 PM, Andy wrote:
Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

For single speed or gearbox, sorta yes, depending. Some
frames more than others.
Andrew Muzi


My Tern Verge S11i came with a chain cover that was a black, corrugated tube slit along one side that fit over, and rotated with, the chain. I removed it after 5 minutes of riding because it was noisy. Also, I expected that any rain that hit it would collect and damage the chain. 7,000 miles and a couple chains later, I don't regret what I did.


A distributor I once part owned used to sell that cover to
shops in big spools. It's a wiring cover from the automotive
industry and back in the 1970s came in bright colors besides
black. Cute, but doesn't help much and, as you note, noisy.


In theory at least, the split wire-bundle cover adapted to bicycle change covering that Steve refers to could be used even on derailleur bikes. But, since it doesn't work in the first instance on hub gear bikes, dumping dirty oil and cold water on the cyclist's trousers and legs if he cycles sans culotte, I don't see much point. A few years ago some wide boy in wider braces made a serious attempt to sell it to German cyclists as the latest and the greatest, a cheaper version of Hebie's Chainglider (which is in a different league altogether, and works brilliantly if correctly fitted); I recollect one German engineer forgetting his dignity to the extent of swearing in the public prints at the vendor after getting a load of dirty oil and cold water dumped on his ankles.

Andre Jute
Dirty oil and cold water must be the nastiest mix of liquids known to man -- next to the cocktail-hour martini.


Can't run on a derailleur system.
Sprockets engage one side, upper roller engages the other
side of the chain. Sprocket clearance is insufficient on
rear and front. Front changers are another issue.

short answer = no way.

Fixed gear OTOH, no problem. No point, but no problem.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:50:24 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:15:33 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:35:55 PM UTC+1, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

It depends on the gear design. And the bike's visual appearance will
generally take a real hit after fitting anything with a convex top line like
this:

https://www.ebay.fr/itm//221652416453

Cyclists privileged to ride on hub gears can use the Hebie Chainglider,
which is a hard rubber complete chain enclosure. I've worked out a way
to run KMC chains on their factory lube inside the Chainglider for
their entire life, so I never clean or lube the chains on my bikes. See
http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index....42349#msg42349
for a description of my two initial tests, and passim on that forum for
how I arrived at the Chainglider as the best chaincase available and
the only one I can responsibly recommend.

You won't get much on chain cases on a neanderthal retro forum like
RBT, even though many of the active contributors are cycle commuters,
who one would think would be keen on hub gears and consequently my
experiments with chain cases. Try a forum with a preponderance of
commuters or bicycle tourists, and you'll be overwhelmed with informed
responses.

Gee, I've been commuting for 50 years and toured all over the place and
never had a chainguard -- except on my Schwinn Racer.
https://bikehistory.org/catalogs/images/1965-racer.jpg

Is that you on the left, Jay? Interesting to see Le President Macron played
tennis before he discovered the convenience of heteronormative gerontophilia.

That is Emmanuel Macron in 1965. I also found pictures of him as a young man in archives from the Franco Prussian War. The truth is that he is far older than his wife and may in fact be Napoleon. https://tinyurl.com/y7b5w7vx

I think one would
have to go the fiets newsgroup of the Flying Pidgeon newsgroup to get a
serious discussion of chainguards and chaincases.


I think the trajectories of roadspray are just be too simple to observe
(except for Schwinn's stylists) to hold long discussions. So which sensibly
lazy "low-maintenance" commuter would try to convert ardently
chain-cleaning, racer Portlandians who implicitly confess to enjoying wet
showers on their chains and feet? ;-)


Sunshine went away, and I just returned from 2.5 hours of riding in the rain. Hosed off the Synapse and hung it in the garage. I inspected the chain and determined that it was still on the bike. Maintenance complete.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:28:38 PM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 1:50:24 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 5:15:33 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 10:35:55 PM UTC+1, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

It depends on the gear design. And the bike's visual appearance will
generally take a real hit after fitting anything with a convex top line like
this:

https://www.ebay.fr/itm//221652416453

Cyclists privileged to ride on hub gears can use the Hebie Chainglider,
which is a hard rubber complete chain enclosure. I've worked out a way
to run KMC chains on their factory lube inside the Chainglider for
their entire life, so I never clean or lube the chains on my bikes. See
http://thorncyclesforum.co.uk/index....42349#msg42349
for a description of my two initial tests, and passim on that forum for
how I arrived at the Chainglider as the best chaincase available and
the only one I can responsibly recommend.

You won't get much on chain cases on a neanderthal retro forum like
RBT, even though many of the active contributors are cycle commuters,
who one would think would be keen on hub gears and consequently my
experiments with chain cases. Try a forum with a preponderance of
commuters or bicycle tourists, and you'll be overwhelmed with informed
responses.

Gee, I've been commuting for 50 years and toured all over the place and
never had a chainguard -- except on my Schwinn Racer.
https://bikehistory.org/catalogs/images/1965-racer.jpg

Is that you on the left, Jay? Interesting to see Le President Macron played
tennis before he discovered the convenience of heteronormative gerontophilia.

That is Emmanuel Macron in 1965. I also found pictures of him as a young man in archives from the Franco Prussian War. The truth is that he is far older than his wife and may in fact be Napoleon. https://tinyurl.com/y7b5w7vx

I think one would
have to go the fiets newsgroup of the Flying Pidgeon newsgroup to get a
serious discussion of chainguards and chaincases.


I think the trajectories of roadspray are just be too simple to observe
(except for Schwinn's stylists) to hold long discussions. So which sensibly
lazy "low-maintenance" commuter would try to convert ardently
chain-cleaning, racer Portlandians who implicitly confess to enjoying wet
showers on their chains and feet? ;-)


Sunshine went away, and I just returned from 2.5 hours of riding in the rain. Hosed off the Synapse and hung it in the garage. I inspected the chain and determined that it was still on the bike. Maintenance complete.

-- Jay Beattie.

;-)
Like I said I gave my go fast bike an anti creak/noise treatment and while as was at it I cleaned the bike. Yesterday was the first ride after that. Nice sunny weather, 100 km planned, two water bottles filled with sugar water (all coffee stops closed) and a nice tail wind the first half along the river. After half an hour cruising along at 38 km/hr carefully listening I concluded that the noise was gone, so even happier. Time for a sip and I gave the water bottle a firm squeeze. WTF...half of my water bottle got spilled over me and the bike making everything sticky as hell. For some reason I didn't put on the lid properly. Some got onto my CF rim and my rear brake squealed as hell during the rest of the ride and after a while both water bottle were stuck in my King Cages.... I did cleaned my bike again today.

Lou

On 17/04/2020 23:35, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

SKS are probably the best bet without any more information

https://www.sks-germany.com/en/produ...s/chainguards/

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-5, Tosspot wrote:
On 17/04/2020 23:35, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

SKS are probably the best bet without any more information

https://www.sks-germany.com/en/produ...s/chainguards/

Those SKS's partial protect the chain but do nothing for the gears themselves where a log of dust ends up.

The Park chain cleaner worked great with Simple Green.

I found a good chain lube that is cheaper per ounce than other dry lubes specifically made for bike chains.

WD-40 Specialist Dirt and Rust Resistant Dry Lube PTFE spray.

$5.74 for 10 ounces.

Andy

On 19/04/2020 20:05, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-5, Tosspot wrote:
On 17/04/2020 23:35, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3
weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

SKS are probably the best bet without any more information

https://www.sks-germany.com/en/produ...s/chainguards/

Those SKS's partial protect the chain but do nothing for the gears
themselves where a log of dust ends up.

The Park chain cleaner worked great with Simple Green.

I found a good chain lube that is cheaper per ounce than other dry
lubes specifically made for bike chains.

WD-40 Specialist Dirt and Rust Resistant Dry Lube PTFE spray.

$5.74 for 10 ounces.

I'm a bit of a fan of

https://wd40.co.uk/specialist-motorbike/chain-cleaner/

For keeping winter chains clean. My go to proper cleaner is this stuff.

https://dynamic-cycling.com/product/chain-cleaner/

It's a degreaser containing lubricant. Ime, a sheldon shake and refit.
No need to lube again for 2-3 months or so.

On 4/17/2020 2:35 PM, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

Thanks,
Andy


I've seen full chain cases on bicycles with internal gearing, but never
on bicycles with external sprockets and chain rings. There are some
partial chain guards, even for bicycles with front and rear derailleurs,
but they are to prevent the chain from dirtying clothes (or legs).

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:59:29 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Gee, I've been commuting for 50 years and toured all over the place and never had a chainguard

Then you won't know what you're missing.

Andre Jute
"Regrets I have none, except I missed out on the Rohloff and Chainglider." -- Lament for Jay, lyrics by Andre Jute, music by his iPad

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:04:30 AM UTC-5, Tosspot wrote:
On 19/04/2020 20:05, Andy wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:36:09 AM UTC-5, Tosspot wrote:
On 17/04/2020 23:35, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3
weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

SKS are probably the best bet without any more information

https://www.sks-germany.com/en/produ...s/chainguards/

Those SKS's partial protect the chain but do nothing for the gears
themselves where a log of dust ends up.

The Park chain cleaner worked great with Simple Green.

I found a good chain lube that is cheaper per ounce than other dry
lubes specifically made for bike chains.

WD-40 Specialist Dirt and Rust Resistant Dry Lube PTFE spray.

$5.74 for 10 ounces.

I'm a bit of a fan of

https://wd40.co.uk/specialist-motorbike/chain-cleaner/

For keeping winter chains clean. My go to proper cleaner is this stuff.

https://dynamic-cycling.com/product/chain-cleaner/

It's a degreaser containing lubricant. Ime, a sheldon shake and refit.
No need to lube again for 2-3 months or so.

I use environmentally friendly Simple Green. 1:1

$9 for a gallon.

Andy

On Friday, 17 April 2020 17:35:55 UTC-4, Andy wrote:
I am having to clean my chain and sprockets at least every 3 weeks.

That's a lot of work.

Does someone make a chain cover that can be used while riding?

Thanks,
Andy

I think one could be made even for a derailleur equipped bike. It'd be a two-pieces unit. I do think that fully enclosed derailleur chainguard would be pretty noisy.

Cheers