Road to narrow for cyclists

Residents of Narrow Street are complaining that their road is
literally to narrow to be used by cyclists...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...uperhighway.do

On Nov 1, 4:38*pm, Tom Crispin wrote:
Residents of Narrow Street are complaining that their road is
literally to narrow to be used by cyclists...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-our-street-is...

When is it expected to narrow? By what mechanism?

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
al Mossah wrote:

On Nov 1, 4:38*pm, Tom Crispin wrote:
Residents of Narrow Street are complaining that their road is
literally to narrow to be used by cyclists...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-our-street-is...

When is it expected to narrow? By what mechanism?

Super-fluid lane markings. As the temperature changes they move across
the road surface.

There is a critical temperature at which they become superconductors
too, thus allowing constant, and free, electrical supply to bike
lights, ensuring they cannot go out.

Schwalbe are working on the "Marathon Frigid" tyre to allow riders to
stay upright.....




Mike

On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:38:47 +0000, Tom Crispin wrote:

Residents of Narrow Street are complaining that their road is literally
to narrow to be used by cyclists...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...our-street-is-
too-narrow-for-a-cycle-superhighway.do

A bicycle and rider is narrower than a car, so therefore this section
would be far too narrow o be used by a car. --
Can someone please clue me up as to how long this section of road is?
and therefore how long a car would have to wait behind a bicycle before
being able to overtake? Seconds? Minutes?
Besides, this street is apparently "residential" I would have thought
that residents might have liked some traffic slowing there.
Of course it would be up to everyone, including bicyclists, to be
courteous and considerate. and human.

Peter

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On 01/11/2010 23:31, Peter Keller wrote:
Can someone please clue me up as to how long this section of road is?
and therefore how long a car would have to wait behind a bicycle before
being able to overtake? Seconds? Minutes?

It's a complete non-issue. This is a few fools bleating about a short
length of contra-flow cycle lane on a road that was previously one way
for all traffic, but at least half of all cyclists using this (busy)
route ignored that anyway. It is very lightly used by motor traffic, the
road is effectively a cul-de-sac (except for cyclists).
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For clarity, the only bit this complaint could possibly refer to is the
section between Spert St. and Horseferry Road:

http://is.gd/gALKi

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=narrow+street ,+london&sll=51.485778,-0.961693&sspn=0.009995,0.033023&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear= Narrow+St,+London,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.510252,-0.039214&spn=0.002497,0.008256&t=h&z=18

It might be as much as a couple of hundred yards.

It is not at all the same place as Boris had his near miss, that was
further up (where the road is much wider).
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And this is the streetview of pretty much the entire section; it ends
just behind the white Transit coming towards you in this picture

http://is.gd/gAMm0

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=narrow+street ,+london&sll=51.485778,-0.961693&sspn=0.009995,0.033023&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear= Narrow+St,+London,+United+Kingdom&t=h&ll=51.510038 ,-0.040609&spn=0.002497,0.008256&z=18&layer=c&cbll=5 1.510027,-0.040396&panoid=SDHVXrOklRVSIqnBTZbdKg&cbp=12,96.1 4,,0,7.91


Very short and very lightly trafficked, and for most of its length for
most of the day there are long gaps in the resident parking bays on the
left. As I say, a complete non-issue.

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On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:56:56 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

http://is.gd/gAMm0

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=narrow+street ,+london&sll=51.485778,-0.961693&sspn=0.009995,0.033023&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear= Narrow+St,+London,+United+Kingdom&t=h&ll=51.510038 ,-0.040609&spn=0.002497,0.008256&z=18&layer=c&cbll=5 1.510027,-0.040396&panoid=SDHVXrOklRVSIqnBTZbdKg&cbp=12,96.1 4,,0,7.91

I have found that if you trim the Streetview url to "layer", "panoid"
and "cbp" components it reduces the need for a redirection url.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?layer=... 96.14,,0,7.91

On 2 Nov, 00:41, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:
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On 01/11/2010 23:31, Peter Keller wrote:

Can someone please clue me up as to how long this section of road is? *
and therefore how long a car would have to wait behind a bicycle before
being able to overtake? *Seconds? *Minutes?

It's a complete non-issue. This is a few fools bleating about a short
length of contra-flow cycle lane on a road that was previously one way
for all traffic, but at least half of all cyclists using this (busy)
route ignored that anyway. It is very lightly used by motor traffic, the
road is effectively a cul-de-sac (except for cyclists).

I think what they are objecting to is the description 'cyclist
superhighway'. Most of these blue strips are very far from that, a
possible exception being Cable Street. They are instead a tokenistic
gesture towards cyclists to make things look as if something useful
has been achieved, which it hasn't, as usual.

Instead of merely painting roads it would be far better to reduce the
speed of motor vehicles and also give up the practice of the derisory
punishments, if any, of those drivers who kill or injure cyclists.

It would also help if cyclists stopped being treated as second class
road users, expected to give way to any driver who hooted and swore at
them or threatened to ram them.

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On 02/11/2010 07:16, Doug wrote:
On 2 Nov, 00:41, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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On 01/11/2010 23:31, Peter Keller wrote:

Can someone please clue me up as to how long this section of road is?
and therefore how long a car would have to wait behind a bicycle before
being able to overtake? Seconds? Minutes?

It's a complete non-issue. This is a few fools bleating about a short
length of contra-flow cycle lane on a road that was previously one way
for all traffic, but at least half of all cyclists using this (busy)
route ignored that anyway. It is very lightly used by motor traffic, the
road is effectively a cul-de-sac (except for cyclists).

I think what they are objecting to is the description 'cyclist
superhighway'. Most of these blue strips are very far from that, a
possible exception being Cable Street. They are instead a tokenistic
gesture towards cyclists to make things look as if something useful
has been achieved, which it hasn't, as usual.


There is nothing super about Cable Street, I shun it as the work of Stan
that it is.

The sum total of changes made to Narrow Street in converting it to
"superhighway" status a
* Some blobs of blue paint
* A contraflow cycle lane along a short one-way stretch that most
cyclists used to ride along against the flow anyway

As far as I can tell the net effect of the changes is practically zero,
neither the number nor the behaviour of cyclists has altered measurably
as a consequence.

The complaint is baseless NIMBYism.
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