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Fred Marx wrote:
A lieutenant to Basso is the only way I see this. Someone to look after him after Cipo Basso is talking to CSC....TH rumours to be true? we'll soon know.... Read that on CN and it slipped my mind. Maybe FB will make Danielson their new shining hope for GC and trAitor Gonzales can abandon him, too, in his hour of need, just before that two year contract expires and he goes to Bianchi (to pull the same stunt on Jan in 2005.) |
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Tom Schulenburg wrote:
My thought was that Fasso Bortolo has so much talent, that TD would have a hard time making the squad for big races. He'd end up ridding second tier races against the same (or lower) competition that he raced against in the US. I would have thought that there'd be a squad that would be willing to sign him and let him ride some of the bigger races as a second "protected" rider, or set him up for a stage win in a grand tour. I don't see that happening with FB. If Basso and Pozzato stick around, it would seem that there would be too much "young" talent there for TD to develop his potential. I'm not saying he shouldn't pay his dues, I'm just not sure he'll get the opportunity to do that with FB. But if he shines on those 2nd tier races... Cadel Evans was picked up by an "overlaoded with talent" Mapei and did 2nd tier races, like Tour of Austria (which he won). TD should be wrapped to be picked by a great team, it would be a dream come true for any beginning Pro. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:44:55 GMT, Bob wrote:
well said! Dumb people always think they should satart out at the top! "Kyle Legate" wrote: [...] How zen. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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Richard Adams wrote: David N. Welton wrote: Richard Adams writes: I didn't feel I berated anyone, I simply further poked fun at them. The sad part for an all-arounder of Basso's calibre is that he's apparently on the wrong team and only had two comrades left at the end of the race. Probably why he's in advanced talks with CSC, the better to be on a team which contests more than the last 500m of a stage, considering where his capacities lie. You apparently don't follow European professional racing if you think that of Fassa Bortolo and Giancarlo Ferretti, although admittedly they haven't had a stellar year. On the contrary, Petacchi has had a watershed year, and we should see him go for as many stages as he feels like in Spain. What's a team to do when a stellar sprinter suddenly emerges from within their ranks? Support him, of course, but what is left to languish? Remember the 2001 TdF tug-o-war within Telekom? Who do you support, your sprinter or your GC contender? With a limited number of riders to support two goals, it's nice to have a deep enough team (which FB does) to support them, but how much do they throw behind AP which detracts from supporting Aitor? Worst to come of it would be failure on both accounts, which happens. Again, I will point to the "great hope" of Fassa B, one Aitor Gonzales who has been invisible this season. Why would they not support AP when AG delivered nothing. Notice how FDJ was able to support McGee while he wore yellow then switch gears to support thier sprinter (yes I blanked on his name, stupid huh?). I see FB with Pozzato ridng for placement, TD for mountains and AP for sprints, looks good on my limited paper. |
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"jean-yves hervé" wrote in message ... In article , "Nick Burns" wrote: "jean-yves hervé" wrote in message Some riders are known as super special before they even turn pro (Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault in the past, Ullrich more recently). Others take years to mature while serving as domestiques (Indurain is the most obvious example of this kind). You are SO WRONG. Indurain was picked (based on lab tests) to be a future Tour winner from 1985-1986. He needed to drop weight without losing power and Conconi laid out a 5 year plan to make him a Tour winner. Padilla did the detail planning and it turned out exactly as expected. Maybe you are speaking from a fan perspective. I know reading skills are quite poor in this newsgroup so I will try to repeat this slowly. I wrote You gave Indurain as an example of an athlete that was not immediately known to be "super special" "before they turn pro". That is what I took issue with. He was known as "super special before he turned pro". |
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Richard Adams writes:
I thought FB had a real shot at becoming the super team Mapei-QS was, but between the egos and apparent departure of some real talent, they look like they're losing serious GT punch. Fine if they want to focus on classics. Mmmmm maybe my memory is bad, but hasn't Ferretti always had more classics-oriented teams? I associate him mentally with racers like Michele Bartoli. -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Softwa http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ |
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Great Brad McGee article in Sept. Cycle Sport on FDJ's changing tactics and how well they pulled it off. yep nice journalism there, yaeh Cooke, Baden Cooke that's the guuy (god I can be an airhead some times..) Petacchi's early departure certainly breathed life into the McEwen-Cooke battle, which I felt was the real excitement of the tour. Definatly agree with that thought. Also noticed in the same issue that Petacchi regards his withdrawl as a mistake and how he apologized to the TDF organisers the day after.... wonder how much credance to give that. Also how much of that withdrawl was psychological, knowing that he was loseing all of his support at that point. |
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Fred Marx wrote:
Great Brad McGee article in Sept. Cycle Sport on FDJ's changing tactics and how well they pulled it off. yep nice journalism there, yaeh Cooke, Baden Cooke that's the guuy (god I can be an airhead some times..) Petacchi's early departure certainly breathed life into the McEwen-Cooke battle, which I felt was the real excitement of the tour. Definatly agree with that thought. Also noticed in the same issue that Petacchi regards his withdrawl as a mistake and how he apologized to the TDF organisers the day after.... wonder how much credance to give that. Also how much of that withdrawl was psychological, knowing that he was loseing all of his support at that point. From what I saw on the coverage, a smiling Alessandro Petacchi bidding the stage adieu, he's not much for acting. After two stages I read or heard translations of his interviews, he wasn't feeling well, but gosh the team worked so hard for him he thought he should at least get up front and give it his best effort, etc. I really wondered what the heck was up with the guy. Has Robbie, Baden or Erik ben present I think they'd want to pitch in words, like "I wish I felt so lousy!" It certainly wouldn't have cost him anything, other than some suffering, to slog through the first mountain stage to see if he had a chance to hold the maillot vert all the way to Paris. Only they know for sure. Wins are wins, but that's kinda maddening from a fans perspective. |
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