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Rain or snow - which do you prefer to ride in?
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/4/2019 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. "left massive piles of branches at the site" Huh. I thought they would burn the branches on site to roast the little buggers. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 You mean you thought they'd turn the ash to ashes? LOL Cheers |
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On 1/4/2019 12:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. "left massive piles of branches at the site" Huh. I thought they would burn the branches on site to roast the little buggers. You mean you thought they'd turn the ash to ashes? LOL There's a constant admonishment to not move lumber/logs/mulch as it may spread the insects. I assumed that if there were uninfected trees in the area a pile of infected branches would be a liability. I'm not an expert just wondering. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 04/01/2019 2:28 p.m., AMuzi wrote:
On 1/4/2019 12:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. "left massive piles of branches at the site" Huh. I thought they would burn the branches on site to roast the little buggers. You mean you thought they'd turn the ash to ashes? LOL There's a constant admonishment to not move lumber/logs/mulch as it may spread the insects. I assumed that if there were uninfected trees in the area a pile of infected branches would be a liability. I'm not an expert just wondering. Here I had two felled before they fell on their own. I had to keep them on my property until fall when the bugs went dormant. I guess the idea is that if they are already in my yard there's a good chance that they're in my neighbor's yard so better to not move them somewhere that is not yet infested. |
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Rain or snow - which do you prefer to ride in?
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-8, duane wrote:
On 04/01/2019 11:11 a.m., Radey Shouman wrote: " writes: On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:43:22 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote: So for those of you who ride in both rain and snow, which do you prefer? I try not to ride in either rain or snow. I ride for enjoyment. I have no mental, psychic, or psychological problem that makes me ride when its not fun to ride. I guess that makes me crazy. I just ride when its enjoyable. Actually I try to only do things that are enjoyable and try not to do anything unenjoyable. Again, crazy me. But as already stated by others, snow means cold. Its 32 or colder when there is snow. Rain means warmer than snow. Its above 32 with rain. Rain and snow are identical except for the temperature. I like to be warmer than colder. So if I had to choose between the fire or stove for being burned, I guess I would choose the rain. Its going to be warmer. I find that it's much colder and more miserable to ride in rain at 33F than snow at 31F. Heat transfer is not entirely about temperature differences. +1 Near freezing rain does suck -- but it sucks less if you have good rain gear and avoid climbs and descents. Hypothermia is a thing riding in cold rain and even racing in cold rain when there are long descents. When you're not generating heat, soaked and taking a lot of wind on a downhill, you get to a point where you're shivering so hard that you can barely hold the bars -- and your head freezes, rain drops pelt your eyes and you get that squinty-eye semi-conscious thing going. Its loads of fun! Early season racing in the PNW is often in the rain and cold, and you get that wonderful fire-hose in the face with all the wheel spray, which is horrible with glasses. I placed in races by simply deciding who was riding well and sticking to that guy's wheel for dear life, not knowing where I was in all the falling rain and wheel spray. And lining up to start in the rain and just sitting there totally sucked -- even with the dopey see through rain jackets/human green houses. Thank Buddha for modern raincoat technology like the Gabba and some of the other rain jerseys and fitted jackets. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 04/01/2019 3:34 p.m., jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-8, duane wrote: On 04/01/2019 11:11 a.m., Radey Shouman wrote: " writes: On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:43:22 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote: So for those of you who ride in both rain and snow, which do you prefer? I try not to ride in either rain or snow. I ride for enjoyment. I have no mental, psychic, or psychological problem that makes me ride when its not fun to ride. I guess that makes me crazy. I just ride when its enjoyable. Actually I try to only do things that are enjoyable and try not to do anything unenjoyable. Again, crazy me. But as already stated by others, snow means cold. Its 32 or colder when there is snow. Rain means warmer than snow. Its above 32 with rain. Rain and snow are identical except for the temperature. I like to be warmer than colder. So if I had to choose between the fire or stove for being burned, I guess I would choose the rain. Its going to be warmer. I find that it's much colder and more miserable to ride in rain at 33F than snow at 31F. Heat transfer is not entirely about temperature differences. +1 Near freezing rain does suck -- but it sucks less if you have good rain gear and avoid climbs and descents. Hypothermia is a thing riding in cold rain and even racing in cold rain when there are long descents. When you're not generating heat, soaked and taking a lot of wind on a downhill, you get to a point where you're shivering so hard that you can barely hold the bars -- and your head freezes, rain drops pelt your eyes and you get that squinty-eye semi-conscious thing going. Its loads of fun! Early season racing in the PNW is often in the rain and cold, and you get that wonderful fire-hose in the face with all the wheel spray, which is horrible with glasses. I placed in races by simply deciding who was riding well and sticking to that guy's wheel for dear life, not knowing where I was in all the falling rain and wheel spray. And lining up to start in the rain and just sitting there totally sucked -- even with the dopey see through rain jackets/human green houses. Thank Buddha for modern raincoat technology like the Gabba and some of the other rain jerseys and fitted jackets. -- Jay Beattie. I was doing the Tour de L'Ile ride here several years ago. 80km. In June and it was 6 or 7C. Started to rain hard and I dumped at about 15km trying to move to the right to pass someone and didn't see that there was a curb separating a bike lane and the road I was on. Separated my shoulder. I got back on and finished. My fingers were frozen and that's all that bothered me. At the end we stopped at a dumpling shop that didn't mind us dripping. After a hot and sour soup I thawed out and realized I was hurt. I prefer snow. |
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jbeattie writes:
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:24:57 AM UTC-8, duane wrote: On 04/01/2019 11:11 a.m., Radey Shouman wrote: " writes: On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 7:43:22 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote: So for those of you who ride in both rain and snow, which do you prefer? I try not to ride in either rain or snow. I ride for enjoyment. I have no mental, psychic, or psychological problem that makes me ride when its not fun to ride. I guess that makes me crazy. I just ride when its enjoyable. Actually I try to only do things that are enjoyable and try not to do anything unenjoyable. Again, crazy me. But as already stated by others, snow means cold. Its 32 or colder when there is snow. Rain means warmer than snow. Its above 32 with rain. Rain and snow are identical except for the temperature. I like to be warmer than colder. So if I had to choose between the fire or stove for being burned, I guess I would choose the rain. Its going to be warmer. I find that it's much colder and more miserable to ride in rain at 33F than snow at 31F. Heat transfer is not entirely about temperature differences. +1 Near freezing rain does suck -- but it sucks less if you have good rain gear and avoid climbs and descents. Hypothermia is a thing riding in cold rain and even racing in cold rain when there are long descents. When you're not generating heat, soaked and taking a lot of wind on a downhill, you get to a point where you're shivering so hard that you can barely hold the bars -- and your head freezes, rain drops pelt your eyes and you get that squinty-eye semi-conscious thing going. Its loads of fun! The other problem with near freezing rain is that it so often freezes, becoming much slicker than new-fallen snow. The worst of both worlds is that weatherman's favorite, the "wintry mix", alternating unpredictably between rain, snow, and sleet. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 12:25:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. It would appear that either ash wood is worthless or someone's brother in law owns a wood saw :-) In New England, at one time, if one had woodland one could get it cleared by doing a deal with a lumber company to cut and clear the land for a part of the resultant lumber. cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:30:37 -0500, Duane
wrote: On 04/01/2019 2:28 p.m., AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 12:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. "left massive piles of branches at the site" Huh. I thought they would burn the branches on site to roast the little buggers. You mean you thought they'd turn the ash to ashes? LOL There's a constant admonishment to not move lumber/logs/mulch as it may spread the insects. I assumed that if there were uninfected trees in the area a pile of infected branches would be a liability. I'm not an expert just wondering. Here I had two felled before they fell on their own. I had to keep them on my property until fall when the bugs went dormant. I guess the idea is that if they are already in my yard there's a good chance that they're in my neighbor's yard so better to not move them somewhere that is not yet infested. Is there no "treatment" that can be done" I know that for Dutch Elm Disease there is a treatment although it has to, I believe, be applied in the early days of infection. cheers, John B. |
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 14:30:37 -0500, Duane wrote: On 04/01/2019 2:28 p.m., AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 12:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 1/4/2019 11:25 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/3/2019 10:41 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: Is there any demand for ash lumber? I believe that in New England some elm trees infected or killed by the Dutch Elm Disease are being gobbled up by companies that specialize in making solid wood furniture. My understanding is that there is value in fresh ash, but that when an ash tree dies, its value goes to zero in a year or so. Supposedly the wood becomes too brittle. One proposal was to harvest all the ash in this forest, paying something like $40,000 for the privilege. It would have destroyed large patches of the forest floor, which is famous for its wildflowers (some quite exotic). And it would have left massive piles of branches at the site of each tree. The public rejected that idea. Within a year, the price of ash had fallen so low that all such ideas were out the window. Supply had greatly exceeded demand. "left massive piles of branches at the site" Huh. I thought they would burn the branches on site to roast the little buggers. You mean you thought they'd turn the ash to ashes? LOL There's a constant admonishment to not move lumber/logs/mulch as it may spread the insects. I assumed that if there were uninfected trees in the area a pile of infected branches would be a liability. I'm not an expert just wondering. Here I had two felled before they fell on their own. I had to keep them on my property until fall when the bugs went dormant. I guess the idea is that if they are already in my yard there's a good chance that they're in my neighbor's yard so better to not move them somewhere that is not yet infested. Is there no "treatment" that can be done" I know that for Dutch Elm Disease there is a treatment although it has to, I believe, be applied in the early days of infection. cheers, John B. There is a treatment but in my case the two ash were in a tight copse of 4 trees and the leaf growth was at the top, about 40 feet up. The inspectors said this was not conducive to treatment and gave me permits to fell them. It was probably too late for treatment anyway. -- duane |
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On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 9:50:48 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/4/2019 7:47 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Snipped Another thing I watch for is melted snow or water that has frozen in the evening or whenever else the temperature has dropped. I have thought about building a folding outrigger-wheel for the winter bike. When there's ice I could drop the third wheel and basically turn the bike into a tricycle. Cheers "many drivers or their cars can't handle ice" The salesman said, "This baby has computer traction control. You an go through anything." and they believed that. Which explains so many small 4-wheel drive vehicles in the ditch after a snowfall. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 That's the truth. I've seen many 4-wheel drive vehicles in ditches or accidents because their driver did not know how to drive to suit the conditions. Cheers |
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