verbose "Yu Che" screwdriver (detective story)

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 7:31:45 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote:
David Scheidt wrote:

Thickness of the blade, width of the blade,
length of the thing.

OK!

I thought the first digit would refer to
something with the magnet since I have seen the
other format (widthXlength) on other
screwdrivers that weren't magnetic (and the
"width" part on slated bits, of course).

I suppose the Yu Che manufacturer were just
more meticulous in them providing a complete
specification for their tool.

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BTW, if a slotted screwdriver fits a non-damaged screw head slot PROPERLY the screw SHOULD STAY ON THE BLADE until the user removes the screwdriver from the screw head.

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Sir Ridesalot wrote:

BTW, if a slotted screwdriver fits
a non-damaged screw head slot PROPERLY the
screw SHOULD STAY ON THE BLADE until the user
removes the screwdriver from the screw head.

Tho SOMETIMES that DOESN'T HAPPEN.

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Emanuel Berg wrote:

:Are the ISO standards not available free of
:charge so you have to buy them to know what
:they say?

ISO make their living selling the standards to people. Giving them
away would interfere with that.

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David Scheidt wrote:

Are the ISO standards not available free of
charge so you have to buy them to know what
they say?

ISO make their living selling the standards
to people. Giving them away would interfere
with that.

I thought they got their funds from the
national standard organizations, or perhaps
the EU.

Selling information! What a joke.

I wonder what they say about screwdrivers
that's so valuable?! 'fraid one has to pay to
find out!

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:31:40 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

David Scheidt wrote:

Thickness of the blade, width of the blade,
length of the thing.

OK!

I thought the first digit would refer to
something with the magnet since I have seen the
other format (widthXlength) on other
screwdrivers that weren't magnetic (and the
"width" part on slated bits, of course).

I suppose the Yu Che manufacturer were just
more meticulous in them providing a complete
specification for their tool.

Or perhaps adding something that they thought might make it sell
better :-)

I'm sitting her looking at a Chinese made flashlight that says in
white letters on the black flashlight "T6-7 xb 28000W".

Should I assume 28,000 watts? From a 3.7 Volt battery hardly 3 inches
long?

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John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 01:41:27 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Well, you apparently didn't even bother to
try what I suggested but ISO 2380 is a basic
standard concerning "Assembly tools for
screws and nuts -- Screwdrivers for
slotted-head screws".

If I Google "ISO 2380" the first hit is this
page, a link I provided in the initial post:

https://www.iso.org/standard/35869.html

It contains some metadata and a form to "Buy
this standard" but what I can see (?) no link
to the standard itself, nor any hands-on data
with respect to the/a screwdriver or whatever
properties it complies with.

Are the ISO standards not available free of
charge so you have to buy them to know what
they say?

The sites I have read all give a short description of what the
standard covers and then the buy option.

Did you think that standards were free?

https://www.iso.org/standard/35869.html
ISO 2380-1:2004
Assembly tools for screws and nuts -- Screwdrivers for slotted-head
screws -- Part 1: Tips for hand- and machine-operated screwdrivers

This standard was last reviewed and confirmed in 2013. Therefore this
version remains current.

"ISO 2380-1:2004 specifies the shape/form, dimensions and designation
of the tips of hand- and machine-operated screwdrivers for
slotted-head screws. It also gives the technical specifications and
test conditions for the screw-drivers and, in the case of
hand-operated screwdrivers, specifies the test torque which the
blade-to-handle connection shall withstand."

Price 38 CHF (Swiss Franks)
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Cheers,

John B.

John B. wrote:

Did you think that standards were free?

In electronic form (e.g., a PDF), yes.

Here is the ANSI [1] explaining why they charge
for standards including "electronic access".
And here DIN! [2]

Not that I read any because it is just silly.
It is like people paying to read the law book.

But I've heard that some people even pay to
watch Hollywood movies...

[1] https://www.ansi.org/help/charge_standards
[2] https://www.din.de/en/din-and-our-pa...-e-v/financing

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On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:05:28 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

David Scheidt wrote:

Are the ISO standards not available free of
charge so you have to buy them to know what
they say?

ISO make their living selling the standards
to people. Giving them away would interfere
with that.

I thought they got their funds from the
national standard organizations, or perhaps
the EU.

Selling information! What a joke.

I wonder what they say about screwdrivers
that's so valuable?! 'fraid one has to pay to
find out!

About ISO

ISO is an independent, non-governmental international organization
with a membership of 162 national standards bodies.

Through its members, it brings together experts to share knowledge and
develop voluntary, consensus-based, market relevant International
Standards that support innovation and provide solutions to global
challenges.
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Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 05:54:55 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

John B. wrote:

Did you think that standards were free?

In electronic form (e.g., a PDF), yes.

Here is the ANSI [1] explaining why they charge
for standards including "electronic access".
And here DIN! [2]

Not that I read any because it is just silly.
It is like people paying to read the law book.


Well, we have a resident legal expert here. Ask him what a "legal
library" costs to assemble and maintain.


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John B.

John B. wrote:

Well, we have a resident legal expert here.
Ask him what a "legal library" costs to
assemble and maintain.

The Swedish law is available online [1].
But not the SI standards, so there we are as
bad. Perhaps even worse, since there is no
comparing documents one cannot even read...

[1] https://lagen.nu

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