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On 9/22/2017 6:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/22/2017 7:40 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 5:26:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 9/22/2017 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:31:56 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: Photos with text at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vs26GExC_oC476V4oZl-dDn_2TcvWFCAuDZwjJN_MYE/edit?usp=sharing Interbike is in a Death Spiral E-Bikes Lights Cleaning and Lubrication Bamboo Cameras Power Meters Smart Helmets Folding Bikes Locks WIKE Salamander Pure Cycles Rod Brakes Are Back! Tent What I Won What I bought I thought I missed the boat because my new bike will have rim brakes instead of discs. I should have waited for rod brakes -- or traveled back in time. BTW, I rode with a guy last week who had been in marketing for Chris King.* He was riding a Cielo with CK components. Pretty bike. CK quit manufacturing Cielo in August.* It has also laid-off a lot of employees from its core component business since this article: https://bikeportland.org/2017/08/16/...-frames-239074 Whole lot of hurting going on in the high-end market. The same guy then went to work for Mavic trying to help them revive their brand in the US -- another slow death from a company that is not keeping up.* It bought Enve, so it will probably concentrate on that brand. It seems odd that bicycle sales are struggling so much, being that it is still popular.* Is it because of eBikes or something else? I was in a store near Stanford this afternoon. There were five Stanford students buying new bicycles. When you're spending $80K a year on college (or your parents are), the cost of a bicycle is pretty much lost in the noise. Stanford is a big biking campus and it's very large. Which is why it was depressing that the store was Walmart and they were buying the worst pieces of crap you can imagine. I understood enough Mandarin to know what they were talking about. One girl said that the bicycle was "good looking," or "好看." Speaking of eBikes, I got dumped by some chick on an eBike the other night.* I was struggling to keep up and thought I was having a heart attack.* As it turned out, my rear cable disc was stuck on. ****ty return springs on the first-gen BB7s, and the rear cable run on my new warranty-repalcement CAADX is all in housing and takes some nasty turns, so the system is pretty draggy. It was really designed for hydraulic brakes.* I'm going to work on that tonight. Apparently e-bikes are extremely popular in Europe and Asia where there's more transportational cycling, and not in the U.S. where it's more recreational. It's cheating, but I'm going to buy one for my wife -- and then use it. Sorry, honey, got to take the eBike today. It's the rare transportational cyclist riding an eBike around here, but that may change over time. I have no qualms about drafting eBikes since most are too fast to be in the bike lanes anyway. Some are just lightweight motorcycles. It's like Kommuter Keirin for me -- except for this one woman I see a lot who has an eCargoBike that goes zero to thirty in like a second. I don't have the thighs or lungs for that, and she drops me off the lights. -- Jay Beattie. I sincerely just don't get it. Is it faster than a much less expensive new moped? You can ride a e-bike on bicycle multi-use paths. Mopeds aren't allowed. Even when motorized bicycles aren't allowed, a lot of them are not obvious enough for anyone to complain, and since on the "pedal assist" models you have to be pedaling, there's some legal distinction in some states. |
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On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:14:48 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/22/2017 7:40 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 5:26:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 9/22/2017 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:31:56 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: Photos with text at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vs26GExC_oC476V4oZl-dDn_2TcvWFCAuDZwjJN_MYE/edit?usp=sharing Interbike is in a Death Spiral E-Bikes Lights Cleaning and Lubrication Bamboo Cameras Power Meters Smart Helmets Folding Bikes Locks WIKE Salamander Pure Cycles Rod Brakes Are Back! Tent What I Won What I bought I thought I missed the boat because my new bike will have rim brakes instead of discs. I should have waited for rod brakes -- or traveled back in time. BTW, I rode with a guy last week who had been in marketing for Chris King. He was riding a Cielo with CK components. Pretty bike. CK quit manufacturing Cielo in August. It has also laid-off a lot of employees from its core component business since this article: https://bikeportland.org/2017/08/16/...-frames-239074 Whole lot of hurting going on in the high-end market. The same guy then went to work for Mavic trying to help them revive their brand in the US -- another slow death from a company that is not keeping up. It bought Enve, so it will probably concentrate on that brand. It seems odd that bicycle sales are struggling so much, being that it is still popular. Is it because of eBikes or something else? I was in a store near Stanford this afternoon. There were five Stanford students buying new bicycles. When you're spending $80K a year on college (or your parents are), the cost of a bicycle is pretty much lost in the noise. Stanford is a big biking campus and it's very large. Which is why it was depressing that the store was Walmart and they were buying the worst pieces of crap you can imagine. I understood enough Mandarin to know what they were talking about. One girl said that the bicycle was "good looking," or "好看." Speaking of eBikes, I got dumped by some chick on an eBike the other night. I was struggling to keep up and thought I was having a heart attack.. As it turned out, my rear cable disc was stuck on. ****ty return springs on the first-gen BB7s, and the rear cable run on my new warranty-repalcement CAADX is all in housing and takes some nasty turns, so the system is pretty draggy. It was really designed for hydraulic brakes. I'm going to work on that tonight. Apparently e-bikes are extremely popular in Europe and Asia where there's more transportational cycling, and not in the U.S. where it's more recreational. It's cheating, but I'm going to buy one for my wife -- and then use it. Sorry, honey, got to take the eBike today. It's the rare transportational cyclist riding an eBike around here, but that may change over time. I have no qualms about drafting eBikes since most are too fast to be in the bike lanes anyway. Some are just lightweight motorcycles. It's like Kommuter Keirin for me -- except for this one woman I see a lot who has an eCargoBike that goes zero to thirty in like a second. I don't have the thighs or lungs for that, and she drops me off the lights.. -- Jay Beattie. I sincerely just don't get it. Is it faster than a much less expensive new moped? 1 out of 3 sold bikes here in the Netherlands is a E bike and sales going up every year. The majority electric assisted (up to 25 km/hr). The people aren't 'ashamed' anymore and they really look like a normal bike. We have a discussion now because more deadly accidents happened the last year due to accidents involving E bikes. Older people can't handle the speed and that heavy bike. Similar features - Too heavy to carry upstairs and it's not a bicycle. We don't carry bikes upstairs. If you want power, that's available at much cheaper rates than an electric thingy. You are missing the point Andrew. If you had a utility bike shop here you would go out of business if you didn't offer E bikes. Lou |
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Where's the 1 liter car ?
A profile from Jones https://www.google.com/search?q=prof...obile&ie=UTF-8 |
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On 9/22/2017 8:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
I sincerely just don't get it. Is it faster than a much less expensive new moped? https://www.amazon.com/Street-Legal-..._&dpSrc=detail Similar features - Too heavy to carry upstairs and it's not a bicycle. If you want power, that's available at much cheaper rates than an electric thingy. Short version: 1. The China scooters are 1/5th the price of the Japanese stuff, but they suffer a lot of reliability issues and have no dealer support. 2. Normal motorcycle shops won't work on them, for various reasons, so when the thing breaks you will probably have to fix it yourself. That is--IF you can find anywhere to buy the correct parts... Disclaimer: I've never owned one. Some friends and acquaintances bought them. The China scooters got wildly popular in my area a number of years back, because a few of the local independent use-car lots began selling them right off the lots. The scooters were cheap and looked good, but the reliability sucked. Within ~3 years all three of the places selling them all stopped for various reasons, and the scooters disappeared from the roads within a couple years after. They're still cheap on the internet--but lots of user reviews say that the problems are still the same--poor reliability and no dealer/parts support. Meanwhile--the people I know who bought Honda/Kawasaki/Yamaha/Suzuki scooters are still riding them around, 10+ years later. The China 50cc scooters cost $500, and the Japanese 50cc scooters cost ~$2500. If you buy a China 50cc scooter and you get one year of moderate use out of it, you probably got your money's worth. ,,,,,,,,,, So with this information added to the comparison--I would dare say that a $500 e-bike may be a better deal for most people (for short-range use) than a $500 50cc China scooter. 1. The e-bike requires no license or insurance or fuel, and can be used on bicycle-only routes. 2. If (when) either breaks down, the e-bike is a lot easier for an average person to fix themselves. |
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On 9/22/2017 8:43 PM, sms wrote:
On 9/22/2017 5:40 PM, jbeattie wrote: ,,, I rode one eBike on the test track that was amazingly powerful. The ones with the manual throttle tend to be more powerful than the ones with "pedal assist." "Pedal assist" is apparently a legal thing, to prevent it from being classified as a moped or motorbike. This is known as the "e-vehicle façade", if you did not know... Piston motors have very low torque when idling and usually have their power peak up around 75% of their maximum RPMs. Electric motors generally put out their maximum torque at zero RPMs and their torque decreases as RPMs go up. So e-vehicles typically have HUGE power when accelerating, especially from a standstill. This is easy for dealers to demonstrate, and it is usually pretty impressive. And it's been this way always: there are articles online from electric cars 100 years ago where people talked about it. The two major shortcoming of e-vehicles (that use on-board storage batteries) are things that you don't notice on a short test drive. The first is overall range, and the second is the actual-cost-per-mile, after battery replacement is factored in. The highest operating cost is not the electricity involved in changing the batteries, it is replacing the batteries as they expire. And they all do expire. The current crop of e-car makers insists it's not an issue, but they warranty the batteries for the original purchaser--which only means that the person who bought the car new won't get stuck with replacement battery costs. That (BIG) bill is getting dropped on the next person who buys the car used. A MAJOR chapter of the e-car story is not yet written: what happens when these new cars become used cars and nobody will buy them because they immediately need a $3000-$5000+ battery put in? Is the dealer going to pay for that too? Or will there be another govt subsidy? If not, then how much would you pay for any new car that had little to no resale value?.... Stay tuned.... Replacement battery costs is the reason that no battery-powered large vehicles have ever come into common use before. By far, the most common electric vehicles world-wide is trains, that are fed from overhead wires and so are freed from the costs of batteries entirely. The most popular options for Tesla cars may yet become a pantograph. |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:47:11 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 9/22/2017 6:14 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 9/22/2017 7:40 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 5:26:32 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 9/22/2017 3:32 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:31:56 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: Photos with text at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vs26GExC_oC476V4oZl-dDn_2TcvWFCAuDZwjJN_MYE/edit?usp=sharing Interbike is in a Death Spiral E-Bikes Lights Cleaning and Lubrication Bamboo Cameras Power Meters Smart Helmets Folding Bikes Locks WIKE Salamander Pure Cycles Rod Brakes Are Back! Tent What I Won What I bought I thought I missed the boat because my new bike will have rim brakes instead of discs. I should have waited for rod brakes -- or traveled back in time. BTW, I rode with a guy last week who had been in marketing for Chris King.Â* He was riding a Cielo with CK components. Pretty bike. CK quit manufacturing Cielo in August.Â* It has also laid-off a lot of employees from its core component business since this article: https://bikeportland.org/2017/08/16/...-frames-239074 Whole lot of hurting going on in the high-end market. The same guy then went to work for Mavic trying to help them revive their brand in the US -- another slow death from a company that is not keeping up.Â* It bought Enve, so it will probably concentrate on that brand. It seems odd that bicycle sales are struggling so much, being that it is still popular.Â* Is it because of eBikes or something else? I was in a store near Stanford this afternoon. There were five Stanford students buying new bicycles. When you're spending $80K a year on college (or your parents are), the cost of a bicycle is pretty much lost in the noise. Stanford is a big biking campus and it's very large. Which is why it was depressing that the store was Walmart and they were buying the worst pieces of crap you can imagine. I understood enough Mandarin to know what they were talking about. One girl said that the bicycle was "good looking," or "好看." Speaking of eBikes, I got dumped by some chick on an eBike the other night.Â* I was struggling to keep up and thought I was having a heart attack.Â* As it turned out, my rear cable disc was stuck on. ****ty return springs on the first-gen BB7s, and the rear cable run on my new warranty-repalcement CAADX is all in housing and takes some nasty turns, so the system is pretty draggy. It was really designed for hydraulic brakes.Â* I'm going to work on that tonight. Apparently e-bikes are extremely popular in Europe and Asia where there's more transportational cycling, and not in the U.S. where it's more recreational. It's cheating, but I'm going to buy one for my wife -- and then use it. Sorry, honey, got to take the eBike today. It's the rare transportational cyclist riding an eBike around here, but that may change over time. I have no qualms about drafting eBikes since most are too fast to be in the bike lanes anyway. Some are just lightweight motorcycles. It's like Kommuter Keirin for me -- except for this one woman I see a lot who has an eCargoBike that goes zero to thirty in like a second. I don't have the thighs or lungs for that, and she drops me off the lights. -- Jay Beattie. I sincerely just don't get it. Is it faster than a much less expensive new moped? You can ride a e-bike on bicycle multi-use paths. Mopeds aren't allowed. Even when motorized bicycles aren't allowed, a lot of them are not obvious enough for anyone to complain, and since on the "pedal assist" models you have to be pedaling, there's some legal distinction in some states. That's exactly it -- beating traffic without undue exertion. You can't lane split on a motorcycle here in Oregon, so next best thing -- speed in the bike lane. I'm interested in what Lou has to say and the experience in NL because it seems like a dangerous mix -- but then again, you get some of the same problems mixing stronger and weaker riders even without motors. We're no Amsterdam, but we do have a lot of bicycles for a US city, and bike conflicts are common in some places. -- Jay Beattie. |
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There was one Korean company that is coming out with a very nice e-bike mid-drive conversion kit in 2018. You don't lose the front derailleur. A cylindrical battery pack attaches to the motor and mounts under the downtube--no wires to a remote battery. Only the left crank arm is removed for installation. It's not on their web site yet. With other mid-drive conversions you only have a single chain wheel.
This company also had some very high quality bicycle lights, including a new 5000 lumen model. 500 lumen appears to be the low end now for lighting companies, 1500-2000 is mid-range, 2500-5000 is high-end. But like many companies, they won't sell through QBP and few shops will meet their MOQ. Very good marketing person, who spoke perfect English in the booth. The Korean companies tend to have their act together at trade shows. http://www.luutech.com |
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Jay gonna buy a Yama ha ? Go for it.
Minus on your legs. Keep track ! |
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Cycling environment Lou brought us maybe Lou's garage
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