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In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr
Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the ultimate price for her actions. when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? Pound to a penny she rode up the inside. And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this tragedy need not have occurred. of course, if she had not been there, she would probably still be alive I cannot see the point of her exercising a right which got her killed. The drink overlimit was trivial and probably had no actual effect on the driver. it is only a few years since that reading would have been legal. A regular drinker will not show any effects from such a small amount 'over the limit' And as Mr Pounder said: "The trial continues" Mr Pounder Well now the trial has finished and we can see just how wrong Mr Cheerless was: http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n..._phone_jailed/ Drunk lorry driver who ran over cyclist while talking on mobile phone jailed 5:50pm Thursday 18th November 2010 A lorry driver who was over the drink drive limit and on a mobile when he crushed a Clapham cyclist has been jailed for seven years. Dennis Putz, 51, from North London killed 39-year-old Catriona Patel, of Common Mile Close, Clapham, after he drove his lorry over her, just outside the Tube station on June 29, 2009. Mrs Patel, a regular cyclist wearing a hi-visibility jacket and a helmet, was cycling her normal route to work on that Monday morning. She stopped at a red light, in the cycle reservoir in front of a large green tipper lorry at 8.23am, at the junction of Kennington Park Road and Harleyford Street. As the lights turned green, Mrs Patel pulled off, intending to go straight across the junction. Putz, who was over the drink drive limit and was driving with one hand on the wheel while talking on his mobile phone, turned left. The truck caught the rear wheel of Mrs Patel's bike, dragging her underneath the vehicle. Witnesses watched in horror, as Putz failed to notice the cyclist caught underneath his lorry. Only when passers by began banging on the side of his vehicle did Putz finally stop. She was given first aid at the scene by passers-by and taken by air ambulance to the Royal London Hospital, with multiple rib fractures and internal bleeding. She was taken straight into surgery but went into cardiac arrest. She was pronounced dead at 11:30am that morning. The post mortem examination found she died from a ruptured spleen, fractured ribs, lung laceration and pelvic fractures. Mrs Patel, who had been married for seven years, left behind her husband Anish. Putz stated that the cyclist must have been in his blind spot, but the court heard that she had been in his view for at least 29 seconds before he moved off and began to turn left. She also remained in view throughout the turn until he was stopped by members of the public. Putz, who was drink driving and on the phone was found guilty of death by dangerous driving, has now received a life time driving ban. It was revealed during the trial that he had 20 previous disqualifications, three drink drive convictions and three previous convictions for reckless driving. Detective Constable Tony Tobin, the senior investigating officer, said: "Our thoughts are with Catriona's husband and the rest of her family as they have to deal with her loss every day. "Dennis Putz started driving a large tipper truck that day still 1.5 times the legal drink drive limit. He was also using a mobile telephone as he hit Catriona. "The combination of the size of vehicle, drink and phone came together to produce such tragic consequences." Detective Chief Inspector Nick Chalmers from the Road Death Investigation Unit, said: "Dennis Putz ignored the duty of care he had to other road users, which resulted in the tragic death of this young woman. "The Met takes this sort of crime seriously and the Traffic department now has some of London's most experienced detectives investigating fatal road collisions. "If someone dies on one of the capital's roads as a result of dangerous driving the investigation will be thorough, professional and relentless." I won't hold my breath waiting for Mr Cheerless to say he was wrong. Tony |
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In message , Tony Raven
writes In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the ultimate price for her actions. snip Well now the trial has finished and we can see just how wrong Mr Cheerless was: http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...s/8675868.Drun k_lorry_driver_who_ran_over_cyclist_while_talking _on_mobile_phone_jailed/ Drunk lorry driver who ran over cyclist while talking on mobile phone jailed 5:50pm Thursday 18th November 2010 A lorry driver who was over the drink drive limit and on a mobile when he crushed a Clapham cyclist has been jailed for seven years. At least there was a reasonable sentence. It was revealed during the trial that he had 20 previous disqualifications, three drink drive convictions and three previous convictions for reckless driving. 20? that must be going some in at most 34 years of driving, rather un believable, . It sounds like a bit of mistake in the reporting, unless he was doing something odd like getting disqualified again whilst still on a disqualification.. I do think that a second disqualification should mean a permanent ban (or at least very long) -- Chris French |
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"Tony Raven" wrote in message ... In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the ultimate price for her actions. when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? Pound to a penny she rode up the inside. And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this tragedy need not have occurred. of course, if she had not been there, she would probably still be alive I cannot see the point of her exercising a right which got her killed. The drink overlimit was trivial and probably had no actual effect on the driver. it is only a few years since that reading would have been legal. A regular drinker will not show any effects from such a small amount 'over the limit' And as Mr Pounder said: "The trial continues" Mr Pounder Well now the trial has finished and we can see just how wrong Mr Cheerless was: Do you have a special little folder in your Amstrad 1640 dedicated to me? Mr Pounder http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n..._phone_jailed/ Drunk lorry driver who ran over cyclist while talking on mobile phone jailed 5:50pm Thursday 18th November 2010 A lorry driver who was over the drink drive limit and on a mobile when he crushed a Clapham cyclist has been jailed for seven years. Dennis Putz, 51, from North London killed 39-year-old Catriona Patel, of Common Mile Close, Clapham, after he drove his lorry over her, just outside the Tube station on June 29, 2009. Mrs Patel, a regular cyclist wearing a hi-visibility jacket and a helmet, was cycling her normal route to work on that Monday morning. She stopped at a red light, in the cycle reservoir in front of a large green tipper lorry at 8.23am, at the junction of Kennington Park Road and Harleyford Street. As the lights turned green, Mrs Patel pulled off, intending to go straight across the junction. Putz, who was over the drink drive limit and was driving with one hand on the wheel while talking on his mobile phone, turned left. The truck caught the rear wheel of Mrs Patel's bike, dragging her underneath the vehicle. Witnesses watched in horror, as Putz failed to notice the cyclist caught underneath his lorry. Only when passers by began banging on the side of his vehicle did Putz finally stop. She was given first aid at the scene by passers-by and taken by air ambulance to the Royal London Hospital, with multiple rib fractures and internal bleeding. She was taken straight into surgery but went into cardiac arrest. She was pronounced dead at 11:30am that morning. The post mortem examination found she died from a ruptured spleen, fractured ribs, lung laceration and pelvic fractures. Mrs Patel, who had been married for seven years, left behind her husband Anish. Putz stated that the cyclist must have been in his blind spot, but the court heard that she had been in his view for at least 29 seconds before he moved off and began to turn left. She also remained in view throughout the turn until he was stopped by members of the public. Putz, who was drink driving and on the phone was found guilty of death by dangerous driving, has now received a life time driving ban. It was revealed during the trial that he had 20 previous disqualifications, three drink drive convictions and three previous convictions for reckless driving. Detective Constable Tony Tobin, the senior investigating officer, said: "Our thoughts are with Catriona's husband and the rest of her family as they have to deal with her loss every day. "Dennis Putz started driving a large tipper truck that day still 1.5 times the legal drink drive limit. He was also using a mobile telephone as he hit Catriona. "The combination of the size of vehicle, drink and phone came together to produce such tragic consequences." Detective Chief Inspector Nick Chalmers from the Road Death Investigation Unit, said: "Dennis Putz ignored the duty of care he had to other road users, which resulted in the tragic death of this young woman. "The Met takes this sort of crime seriously and the Traffic department now has some of London's most experienced detectives investigating fatal road collisions. "If someone dies on one of the capital's roads as a result of dangerous driving the investigation will be thorough, professional and relentless." I won't hold my breath waiting for Mr Cheerless to say he was wrong. Tony |
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Tony Raven wrote:
In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the ultimate price for her actions. when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? Pound to a penny she rode up the inside. And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this tragedy need not have occurred. I won't hold my breath waiting for Mr Cheerless to say he was wrong. Tony What is a cycle reservoir? If it means that the cyclist had stopped , before the arrival of the tipper in an advanced cycle stop area at the lights and the lorry rammed her after the lights changed, then that is very different to the way the original reports read. It is also at odds with the pictures, which showed her debris on the left of the lorry, if he had turned left striking her back wheel with the bumper of the lorry then the debris would end up on the right of the lorry, not the left, particularly since it is said he went some way before realising. The whole thing just shows how unsuitable cycles are for use in heavy traffic, ban them and solve the problem. |
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Mrcheerful wrote:
Tony Raven wrote: In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, she paid the ultimate price for her actions. when did you last see a cyclist stop at a set of traffic lights? Pound to a penny she rode up the inside. And yes, I do think she rode up the inside, and by so doing she put herself into mortal danger, perhaps if she had been trained in road use then this tragedy need not have occurred. I won't hold my breath waiting for Mr Cheerless to say he was wrong. Tony What is a cycle reservoir? An ASL If it means that the cyclist had stopped , before the arrival of the tipper in an advanced cycle stop area at the lights and the lorry rammed her after the lights changed, then that is very different to the way the original reports read. No, it was very different from the way you interpreted the original reports in an attempt to blame a cyclist for the actions of a drunk driver on the phone. Here's the original report for you to check: http://tinyurl.com/3xo8vsn It is also at odds with the pictures, which showed her debris on the left of the lorry, if he had turned left striking her back wheel with the bumper of the lorry then the debris would end up on the right of the lorry, not the left, particularly since it is said he went some way before realising. Not if she was in front of the lorry on the passenger side of the cab. The whole thing just shows how unsuitable cycles are for use in heavy traffic, ban them and solve the problem. Typical. The driver was drunk and on the phone, had 20 previous disqualifications, three drink drive convictions and three previous convictions for reckless driving and yet you still want to blame the victim not the driver. Tony |
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Tony Raven wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, you still want to blame the victim not the driver. Tony The fact is that there are thousands of truly awful drivers out there, I see them, you see them, everyone has horror stories of close encounters. But, cyclists choose to ignore that and try to travel unprotected amongst them. Rather like the swimmers that go for a dip in shark infested water, when one gets killed they get all uppitty and say: 'do something about the sharks' Why not just stay clear of them? |
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Mrcheerful wrote:
Tony Raven wrote: Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, you still want to blame the victim not the driver. Tony The fact is that there are thousands of truly awful drivers out there, I see them, you see them, everyone has horror stories of close encounters. But, cyclists choose to ignore that and try to travel unprotected amongst them. Rather like the swimmers that go for a dip in shark infested water, when one gets killed they get all uppitty and say: 'do something about the sharks' Why not just stay clear of them? Why not extend your philosophy to other crimes as well rather than dealing with the source of the problem. It could save a fortune on policing costs. We don't need police, just stay clear of criminals. Drivers could drive as drunk and distracted as they want and its everyone else's responsibility to stay clear of them. Sorted. You should write to the Daily Mail about it. Tony |
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Tony Raven wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, you still want to blame the victim not the driver. Tony The fact is that there are thousands of truly awful drivers out there, I see them, you see them, everyone has horror stories of close encounters. But, cyclists choose to ignore that and try to travel unprotected amongst them. Rather like the swimmers that go for a dip in shark infested water, when one gets killed they get all uppitty and say: 'do something about the sharks' Why not just stay clear of them? Why not extend your philosophy to other crimes as well rather than dealing with the source of the problem. It could save a fortune on policing costs. We don't need police, just stay clear of criminals. Drivers could drive as drunk and distracted as they want and its everyone else's responsibility to stay clear of them. Sorted. You should write to the Daily Mail about it. Tony if someone knowingly travels to a really bad place and gets killed, then yes, it is a crime, but why on earth did they go there? |
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What a horrible way to die...drunk drivers are the scum of the earth and should be punished a lot more severely than they are.
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On Nov 19, 9:00*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote: Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: Mrcheerful wrote: Tony Raven wrote: In the threads about a cyclist killed by a drunk truck driver Mr Cheerful said the following: don't get on the inside of lorries, particularly at junctions, you still want to blame the victim not the driver. Tony The fact is that there are thousands of truly awful drivers out there, I see them, you see them, everyone has horror stories of close encounters. *But, cyclists choose to ignore that and try to travel unprotected amongst them. Rather like the swimmers that go for a dip in shark infested water, when one gets killed they get all uppitty and say: 'do something about the sharks' Why not just stay clear of them? Why not extend your philosophy to other crimes as well rather than dealing with the source of the problem. *It could save a fortune on policing costs. *We don't need police, just stay clear of criminals. Drivers could drive as drunk and distracted as they want and its everyone else's responsibility to stay clear of them. *Sorted. *You should write to the Daily Mail about it. Tony if someone knowingly travels to a really bad place and gets *killed, then yes, it is a crime, but why on earth did they go there? Don't cross the road. |
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