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Old December 6th 03, 10:17 PM
N Grover
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hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave
danger.

Would you conclude that mountain biking should be banned all together? I
don't think you have done a fair evaluation of mountain biking and here is
why:

1) Mountain biking itself is not the main contributor to environmental
damage, reckless rider are.
2) Responsible riders will ride on pre-existing trials, such as horse
trails, cross-country ski trails etc. I personally don't ever get on my
bike and simply plow into the bush and blaze new trails and I don't think
many of us do.
3) To have a swimming pool you have to create a special purpose building
which consumes enormous amounts of energy to heat, chemicals to treat the
water etc, transportation to get to the pool every day. Or running events
that require a track that replaces natural areas...and
the list goes on. The great thing about mountain biking is that it gives
us an oportunity to enjoy the intrinsic value of nature which is important
for without the enjoyment of wilderness there is one less motivation to
want to protect it. One of the ways to teach childrean about the value of
nature is to show it to them so they can appreciate it's beauty. With my
MTB I usually don't have to drive anywhere and I don't need a special
facility (resource hog) to do it.
4) With all the highways, urban development, polution etc you pick on
MTB'ing. Ok so just because there are other bad things in this world
doesn't make something else bad OK but it perplexes me why you would
single out MTB'ing among all other sports, including those that don't
allow us to enjoy wilderness (undeniably important) and require special
facilities all over the world (bad for the environment) such as hockey
rinks (major CFC emissions).
5) The world may not have as much forest as Canada but don't tell me we
don't have room for mountain biking. Personally I consider it far more
important to use less paper and choose to live in the city instead of
sprawling into newly developed areas.

I suppose my point is....yes at some level and because of some radical
people, MTB'ing will hurt the environment but please don't use it as an
example sport which overshadows far greater concerns. As you pointed out,
the Olympics itself is one big environmental problem with people flying in
from all over the world, facilities being built, etc. In the end I don't
think it will do the world any good to be in their basement running on
treadmills made from recycled egg shells. MTB'ing has a place in the
olympics and in my opinion (all things considered) does not harm the
environment any more than the average sport. May I also point out that the
sport of MTB'ing has promoted environmental stewardardship more than any
indoor sport.

-- Neil Grover

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Old December 6th 03, 11:04 PM
BB
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:17:31 -0600, N Grover wrote:
hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave
danger.


Mike Vandeman is not going to help the environment any more than you're
going to help Mike Vandeman. Ignore him, he's a meaningless blowhard.

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Old December 6th 03, 11:45 PM
N Grover
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good point, i didn't realize Mike Vandeman had posted so much rubish.

He critisized someone for having a bike addiction.....what a compasionless
soul....he will get no where unless he realizes the needs of those whom he
lives with in this delicate world, I am sure he has convinced nobody on
this cycling forum by attacking them. If only someone could take away his
addiction for attacking MTB'ing with little background research or indepth
assesment. Ya know, I took an environmental science course at University
and I gotta say what loose and un-defined field...rarely used as science
it's as much a degree on opinion because in this world we all affect the
environment negatively on a regular basis, including Mike. Mike, have you
heard of the term "sustainable development"? It's a concept that realizes
the needs of humans as well as the environment, i suggest you adopt a
similar philosophy before you beat your head into the ground and realize
that mountain biking will continue regardless of what you say. Maybe
instead you could make a positive impact by trying to get you local
government to designate MTB'ing areas, or fix wrecked trails etc. In the
mean-time, stop using your PHD status to point fingers and use your
science skills for something more applicatble...like bioremdiation or
something. I'll end now by saying you have sparked an emotion in me that
negativly impacts your cause.......keep it up! Sorry for partaking in your
sharade....at this point it feels good.


On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 23:04:22 +0000, BB wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:17:31 -0600, N Grover wrote:
hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in
grave danger.


Mike Vandeman is not going to help the environment any more than you're
going to help Mike Vandeman. Ignore him, he's a meaningless blowhard.

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Old December 6th 03, 11:53 PM
N Grover
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and finally in response to Mike saying "you have a bike addiction, get
over it", I have one thing to say to you Mike, Bob was just a cat...get
over it!! Get my point!
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Old December 7th 03, 12:19 AM
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"N Grover" wrote in message
news

Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good.



So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public!
--
Slacker




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Old December 7th 03, 05:08 AM
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"N Grover" wrote in message
news
hmmmm, i appreciate environmental issues.....the world is indeed in grave
danger.

Would you conclude that mountain biking should be banned all together? I
don't think you have done a fair evaluation of mountain biking and here is
why:

1) Mountain biking itself is not the main contributor to environmental
damage, reckless rider are.
2) Responsible riders will ride on pre-existing trials, such as horse
trails, cross-country ski trails etc. I personally don't ever get on my
bike and simply plow into the bush and blaze new trails and I don't think
many of us do.
3) To have a swimming pool you have to create a special purpose building
which consumes enormous amounts of energy to heat, chemicals to treat the
water etc, transportation to get to the pool every day. Or running events
that require a track that replaces natural areas...and
the list goes on. The great thing about mountain biking is that it gives
us an oportunity to enjoy the intrinsic value of nature which is important
for without the enjoyment of wilderness there is one less motivation to
want to protect it. One of the ways to teach childrean about the value of
nature is to show it to them so they can appreciate it's beauty. With my
MTB I usually don't have to drive anywhere and I don't need a special
facility (resource hog) to do it.
4) With all the highways, urban development, polution etc you pick on
MTB'ing. Ok so just because there are other bad things in this world
doesn't make something else bad OK but it perplexes me why you would
single out MTB'ing among all other sports, including those that don't
allow us to enjoy wilderness (undeniably important) and require special
facilities all over the world (bad for the environment) such as hockey
rinks (major CFC emissions).
5) The world may not have as much forest as Canada but don't tell me we
don't have room for mountain biking. Personally I consider it far more
important to use less paper and choose to live in the city instead of
sprawling into newly developed areas.

I suppose my point is....yes at some level and because of some radical
people, MTB'ing will hurt the environment but please don't use it as an
example sport which overshadows far greater concerns. As you pointed out,
the Olympics itself is one big environmental problem with people flying in
from all over the world, facilities being built, etc. In the end I don't
think it will do the world any good to be in their basement running on
treadmills made from recycled egg shells. MTB'ing has a place in the
olympics and in my opinion (all things considered) does not harm the
environment any more than the average sport. May I also point out that the
sport of MTB'ing has promoted environmental stewardardship more than any
indoor sport.

-- Neil Grover


Neil,

Something you should know is that Mike Vandeman is actually a cartoon
character. He was dropped after a brief career with Hanna Barbera in the
70's. His brush with stardom, and subsequent and very unfortunate crash
into to depths of the worst type of animated destituion, have left him
bitter toward the human race. His posts on this NG ooze a deep rooted
contempt of all things human, especially anything to do with humans having
fun and staying fit.

But the comical genius that once propelled him briefly to the heights of
stardom still often shines through in his posts as well! The brilliant use
of irony is one example. While millions of automobiles and countless
thousands of power plants are belching tons of debris into the air every
day, he voraciously attacks moutain bikers for breaking twigs and displacing
a family of squirrels somewhere in southern Missouri. Brilliant! Countless
other examples of irony and other side splitting, zany rants are posted to
this NG nearly daily. Check it out for yourself! Hours of amusement, free
of charge.

:^)


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Old December 7th 03, 05:14 AM
N Grover
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Slacker, you might want to expand on the obvious if you have a point to
make.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:19:02 -0800, Slacker wrote:

"N Grover" wrote in message
news

Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good.



So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public!
--
Slacker


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Old December 7th 03, 10:25 AM
bomba
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N Grover wrote:

If only someone could take away his
addiction for attacking MTB'ing with little background research or indepth
assesment. Ya know, I took an environmental science course at University


So did I, but it counts for nothing when you're 'debating' with Mike.
http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm#1.3.1

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Old December 7th 03, 11:13 AM
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Come on get off it. You ever get eatten up by a hole
left by a 4 wheel drive truck or jeep. Now thats environmental damage.
Then wait till spring after all te snow and ice are gone now, you got
small water filled swiming holes in the middle of the trail. Or what
hap- pened just a week ago. Due to these moon craters
,murders that drove a car into the woods with a body in the tunk
couldn't go deep- er in because of this damage. And the car was
spotted a flame soon after from the local Target store parking area. Or
what about the new trail head made by some Monster truck. So they
enter from I 95. I spotted that in early spring or was it late winter.

Fire up MTB 03

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Old December 7th 03, 03:59 PM
Mike Vandeman
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:19:02 -0800, "Slacker" wrote:

.."N Grover" wrote in message
..news ..
.. Sorry for partaking in your sharade....at this point it feels good.
..
..
..So does maturbating, but it's not something you do in public!

Good point.
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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