ulrich found guilty of doping results since may 2005 annulled

On Feb 15, 9:43*am, "Steve Freides" wrote:
atriage wrote:
On 13/02/2012 18:19, Steve Freides wrote:
Fred Flintstein wrote:
I remember seeing a picture of a past NFL championship game, the
play where the winning touchdown was scored. In the picture one
of the players on the winning team is clearly shown committing a
foul which the officials missed. But a penalty should have been
called and the winning touchdown called back.

This business of race finishes being malleable more than a decade
after the fact is evidence that it is time to call in an air
strike on the UCI headquarters in Lausanne. We are lucky that
cycling is the only sport they are allowed to screw up.

When it's over, it's over.

It definitely would be for the UCI after an air strike on Lausanne,
thinking about it if the said strike had a yield in the region of 25
megatons it would have the advantage of removing the FIFA HQ in
Zurich as well. (Thus securing 25 bonus points, or 50 if Sep Blatter
was in the building).

Er, uh, I wasn't agreeing with that part, just the idea that, once the
race was over, the results should stand. *Maybe there could be 24 or 48
hours to review post-finish line test results or something like that,
but there needs to be a limit. *Years later is just ridiculous,
particularly in light of the fact that any benefits a rider gets from
having won a race will already have been received, and any benefits the
former second place finisher might receive from being changed to winner
status simply don't exist years after. *In short, absolutely no end is
served by nullifying a race result 5 years after, save someone's Puritan
agenda.

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what about stall and delay tactics ? or the time it takes for a lab to
test all the samples (remember not just the top 3 are provided to help
ensure anonymity) ? and use of newly found peds for which tests haven
t been developed or accepted ?

they still charge people for murder comitted 30 years ago when
fingerprints match

On 2/16/2012 9:52 AM, raamman wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Steve wrote:
atriage wrote:
On 13/02/2012 18:19, Steve Freides wrote:
Fred Flintstein wrote:
I remember seeing a picture of a past NFL championship game, the
play where the winning touchdown was scored. In the picture one
of the players on the winning team is clearly shown committing a
foul which the officials missed. But a penalty should have been
called and the winning touchdown called back.

This business of race finishes being malleable more than a decade
after the fact is evidence that it is time to call in an air
strike on the UCI headquarters in Lausanne. We are lucky that
cycling is the only sport they are allowed to screw up.

When it's over, it's over.

It definitely would be for the UCI after an air strike on Lausanne,
thinking about it if the said strike had a yield in the region of 25
megatons it would have the advantage of removing the FIFA HQ in
Zurich as well. (Thus securing 25 bonus points, or 50 if Sep Blatter
was in the building).

Er, uh, I wasn't agreeing with that part, just the idea that, once the
race was over, the results should stand. Maybe there could be 24 or 48
hours to review post-finish line test results or something like that,
but there needs to be a limit. Years later is just ridiculous,
particularly in light of the fact that any benefits a rider gets from
having won a race will already have been received, and any benefits the
former second place finisher might receive from being changed to winner
status simply don't exist years after. In short, absolutely no end is
served by nullifying a race result 5 years after, save someone's Puritan
agenda.

-S-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

what about stall and delay tactics ? or the time it takes for a lab to
test all the samples (remember not just the top 3 are provided to help
ensure anonymity) ? and use of newly found peds for which tests haven
t been developed or accepted ?

they still charge people for murder comitted 30 years ago when
fingerprints match

I'm not positive about this, but I'm pretty sure murder is a crime.
That's a pretty significant difference from doping in a bike race.

F

Fred Flintstein wrote:

what about stall and delay tactics ? or the time it takes for a lab
to test all the samples (remember not just the top 3 are provided to
help ensure anonymity) ? and use of newly found peds for which tests
haven t been developed or accepted ?

they still charge people for murder comitted 30 years ago when
fingerprints match

I'm not positive about this, but I'm pretty sure murder is a crime.
That's a pretty significant difference from doping in a bike race.

F

Fred, you display ownage of this issue - rock on, seriously. The whole
thing is starting to feel like, well, America's drug war.

-S-

raamman wrote:
they still charge people for murder comitted 30 years ago when
fingerprints match

Fred Flintstein wrote:
I'm not positive about this, but I'm pretty sure murder is a crime.
That's a pretty significant difference from doping in a bike race.

Steve Freides wrote:
Fred, you display ownage of this issue - rock on, seriously. The whole
thing is starting to feel like, well, America's drug war.

In which case Reagan can be exhumed to be Captain Zombie Amerika.

In article
,
raamman wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:43Â*am, "Steve Freides" wrote:
atriage wrote:
On 13/02/2012 18:19, Steve Freides wrote:
Fred Flintstein wrote:
I remember seeing a picture of a past NFL championship game, the
play where the winning touchdown was scored. In the picture one
of the players on the winning team is clearly shown committing a
foul which the officials missed. But a penalty should have been
called and the winning touchdown called back.

This business of race finishes being malleable more than a decade
after the fact is evidence that it is time to call in an air
strike on the UCI headquarters in Lausanne. We are lucky that
cycling is the only sport they are allowed to screw up.

When it's over, it's over.

It definitely would be for the UCI after an air strike on Lausanne,
thinking about it if the said strike had a yield in the region of 25
megatons it would have the advantage of removing the FIFA HQ in
Zurich as well. (Thus securing 25 bonus points, or 50 if Sep Blatter
was in the building).

Er, uh, I wasn't agreeing with that part, just the idea that, once the
race was over, the results should stand. Â*Maybe there could be 24 or 48
hours to review post-finish line test results or something like that,
but there needs to be a limit. Â*Years later is just ridiculous,
particularly in light of the fact that any benefits a rider gets from
having won a race will already have been received, and any benefits the
former second place finisher might receive from being changed to winner
status simply don't exist years after. Â*In short, absolutely no end is
served by nullifying a race result 5 years after, save someone's Puritan
agenda.

what about stall and delay tactics ? or the time it takes for a lab to
test all the samples (remember not just the top 3 are provided to help
ensure anonymity) ? and use of newly found peds for which tests haven
t been developed or accepted ?

they still charge people for murder comitted 30 years ago when
fingerprints match

Murder is the only crime that
has no statute of limitations.
Taking dope is not a crime, not
even for a bicycle race.

--
Old Fritz

On Feb 17, 4:16*pm, Frederick the Great wrote:


Murder is the only crime that
has no statute of limitations.
Taking dope is not a crime,

yes it is

not
even for a bicycle race.


yes it is

--
Old Fritz-

In article
,
raamman wrote:

On Feb 17, 4:16Â*pm, Frederick the Great wrote:


Murder is the only crime that
has no statute of limitations.
Taking dope is not a crime,

yes it is

We disagree.


not
even for a bicycle race.


yes it is

We disagree.

--
Michael Press