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Old July 10th 19, 05:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

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Old July 10th 19, 05:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 9:29:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats
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A little dramatic don't you think? Around here we have a lot of Asians moving in and they tend to run errands on their bikes. They don't seem oblivious to the careless driving but they certainly aren't going to let it overwhelm them.
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Old July 10th 19, 06:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.

- Frank Krygowski
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Old July 10th 19, 07:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 10:14:15 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law..

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.

- Frank Krygowski


The police have a problem with many San Francisco bike commuters as well. In general they are a rather rule-less class and going the wrong way on one way streets is common enough. They have added bicycle and bus streets only. This doesn't seem to stop the cars using them or the bikes not using them.

It isn't clear about how common bicycle commuters are in New York because of the horrible weather, but in San Francisco it is getting a whole lot more common since you can park a dozen bikes in one car parking spot.
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Old July 10th 19, 10:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

On 7/10/2019 12:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.

- Frank Krygowski


Not just cyclists.

I'm not saying all cops are good or honest although about
half are. But having come of age in a different era, being
laid out with a mahogany shampoo is an important life
lesson. I understood it after the second time.

Today's world doesn't have much intermediate education
process between nothing and shot dead.

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old July 10th 19, 11:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 3:00:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/10/2019 12:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.

- Frank Krygowski


Not just cyclists.

I'm not saying all cops are good or honest although about
half are. But having come of age in a different era, being
laid out with a mahogany shampoo is an important life
lesson. I understood it after the second time.

Today's world doesn't have much intermediate education
process between nothing and shot dead.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


Coming from a family of cops and robbers I would give a lot more credit to cops.
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Old July 11th 19, 10:56 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 11:00:03 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:

Today's world doesn't have much intermediate education
process between nothing and shot dead.

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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


That's an indictment of an entire society. Armed police who go in fear of their lives are likely to react with lethal force.

Except when I lived part of every year in the States, and in a couple of political exiles when I lived in South America, where the violence is merely less well-organised than in the States, I've always lived in places where the bobby on the beat goes unarmed and fearless, and is (or at least was) as likely to clip a teenage hooligan in the ear and send him on his way to sin no more rather than criminalise him for life by sending him to the criminal grad school of jail. And corruption was the bobby on the beat helping himself to an apple in passing the greengrocer and not paying for it.

I rather miss those fearless societies. Which is why I like living in rural Ireland and rural France, because there they still persist.

Andre Jute
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Old July 11th 19, 03:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sepp Ruf
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.


Seemed. Who cares?

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."


"ahead of the rider and stopped"? Nope, that would yield a different pictu
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/07/07/nypd-used-deadly-force-to-stop-cyclist-suspected-of-running-red-light/

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.


Apparently, the weather at your place isn't suitable to take a walk or spin
to vent.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.


The lack of adequate police tactic and training in dealing with actual or
imagined traffic violations of non-cagers is a human rights issue. Would
you call pedestrian advocates nuts if they criticized running Police SUVs
into jaywalkers?
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Old July 11th 19, 04:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Radey Shouman
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

Frank Krygowski writes:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on,
through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."


It plainly was "deadly force". If anyone but a cop were to cut off a
cyclist with an SUV, causing an intentional collision, I think even you
would call it so. Cops *are* permitted to use deadly force under some
conditions, whether this was one of them ought to be the question.

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the
jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.

- Frank Krygowski


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Old July 11th 19, 04:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_2_]
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Default Urban Cycling Video NYC

On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 10:50:32 AM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:29:23 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/video/angry-biker...matic-protest/

Includes (predictably) editorial snark about hats


Interesting data point in that video: Last year 111 pedestrians were killed, a
4.7% increase. As always, that's _far_ above the number of dead cyclists.

But they somehow neglected to say about the peds, "Many without helmets."

Vaguely related: Yesterday Streetsblog (IIRC) posted a rabble rousing rant about
"Police using deadly force." Most of the commenters seemed to want every police
officer hung.


Seemed. Who cares?

I gather there is some problem with police attitude toward NYC bicyclists - as
in, when a cyclist is killed (say, from a right hook crash with an irresponsibly
driven truck) the NYC cops respond by ticketing only cyclists, even if the
dead cyclist broke no law. That's wrong, IMO.

But the Streetsblog event was different. A guy on a bikeshare bike crashed red
light after red light, ignoring the cop following in a cruiser order him to stop
the bike. The biker kept looking back at the cop, but riding on, through light after light.

The cop finally cut into the bike lane ahead of the rider and stopped. The biker
ran into the cop car. Streetsglob called that "Deadly force."


"ahead of the rider and stopped"? Nope, that would yield a different pictu
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/07/07/nypd-used-deadly-force-to-stop-cyclist-suspected-of-running-red-light/

Apparently, they wanted instead for the cop to share donuts with the jerk on the
bike. Apparently, no bicyclist should ever be asked to obey a traffic law.


Apparently, the weather at your place isn't suitable to take a walk or spin
to vent.

A lot of bicycle advocacy is absolutely nuts these days.


The lack of adequate police tactic and training in dealing with actual or
imagined traffic violations of non-cagers is a human rights issue. Would
you call pedestrian advocates nuts if they criticized running Police SUVs
into jaywalkers?


OK, I'm curious what, precisely, you think the cop should have done. And what do
you think the rider should have done?

The photo shows that the cop did not run into the cyclist. The cyclist ran into
the cop car. We have no way of knowing how far in front of the cyclist the cop
pulled to the right. Perhaps it was too little distance, but that's not proven.

I'm _not_ in favor of cyclists totally defying important traffic laws, and
defying the lawful orders of police. Roughly half of cyclist fatalities come
cyclist misbehavior. Anarchy will not improve that.

- Frank Krygowski
 




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