Ketone Esters

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:00:28 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:25:24 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 9/4/2019 4:42 PM, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by
all means do it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT
comment about cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I
just eat actual food." Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie
was hot. Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't
though. I was regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


It's a good story though!

At 85 miles into a sunny but windy 40F late September century, my
friend and I were just out of everything and stopped to eat some field
corn (dairy cow maize, not sweet corn). The effect was miraculous and
within minutes we were back riding.

Raw? No sorghum or onions available? Did you eat the stalk and leaves,
silage-style?

I have sampled roadside apples and concord grapes, both quite
uncultivated, and rode away refreshed.

You could break your teeth on field corn. It's what Joerg uses to bang on his fence nail to repair his chain.

The opportunistic food of choice around here is blackberries. https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8388/2...24b3da59_z.jpg

I've got to go pick some before the season is over. A lot of my favorite bushes were looking pretty lousy this year, maybe because of the dry summer. You can also find fruit trees of various types -- a lot of mystery apples. I should have trapped the chicken that chased me a few weeks ago and eaten that! Show that chicken who is an apex predator!

We also have these things called stores where you can buy God's perfect energy food: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...g?v=1559954199

Mmmmm, donettes.

-- Jay Beattie.

I think that it is a combination of a wet spring which spurred early fruiting and a dry summer in which if you didn't get to the fruit early there isn't much left.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 5:53:59 PM UTC-7, Mike A Schwab wrote:
On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
A couple of weeks ago we were talking about Ketone Esters. This is sort of a predigested results of dietary fat.

I had breakfast and because I was heading out on a difficult ride I drank a bottle of that stuff cut 50/50 with tap water.

It has a taste reminiscent of fingernail polish. And that taste sticks with you.

It didn't seem to do anything. I really dragged my butt up the 1,000 foot climb with 9-12% sections but I made it.

It costs a small fortune so it hardly seems to be worth even talking about.

Yesterday I had forgotten to go to the store and had nothing for breakfast before another hard ride so on an empty stomach I drank that stuff again. This time before I left I brushed my teeth and used Listerine mouthwash. That reduced the taste to merely unpleasant.


I rode out to the target 19 miles and 1600 feet of climbing away and I didn't bonk which I would have expected to do what with no breakfast. At the coffee shop I had a roll and a coffee and came back. At the end of the ride I was not exceptionally tired and had a rather fast recovery.

So perhaps this stuff is worth you giving a try if you're a sports rider. It did appear to work far better on an empty stomach than after having eaten. And brushing the teeth and using mouthwash DEFINITELY was the way to go.

Dr. Boz calls that Ketones in a Can. Best source of Ketones, granted. 2nd best is Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) oil, which has no taste. 3rd best is Coconut oil, which has little to no taste, consists of about 80% MCT, and is the usual source for MCT. Also used in the recipe for Bulletproof coffee, as a breakfast substitute. 1 oz coconut oil, 1 oz unsalted butter (ghee), 8-10 oz coffee, blended into a latte like drink. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFUPSdATuw

Thanks for that information. I'll take that stuff for 4 days before my next appointment with my neurologist and see if the memory problems improve.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/4/2019 7:25 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 9/4/2019 4:42 PM, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by
all means do it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT
comment about cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I
just eat actual food." Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie
was hot. Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't
though. I was regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


It's a good story though!

At 85 miles into a sunny but windy 40F late September century, my
friend and I were just out of everything and stopped to eat some field
corn (dairy cow maize, not sweet corn). The effect was miraculous and
within minutes we were back riding.

Raw? No sorghum or onions available? Did you eat the stalk and leaves,
silage-style?

I have sampled roadside apples and concord grapes, both quite
uncultivated, and rode away refreshed.


Just the hard school-bus-yellow raw kernels.

I have also pilfered an apple occasionally[1] but more from
curiosity (always pleasantly surprised!) than desperation.

[1]A Milwaukee Journal photographer snapped me riding no
hands in mid-bite near an orchard and it was printed. Ouch.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Most of the apple orchards that used to be around here are gone now but you will occasionally trip across one in the forest. Some of these are long forgotten species and they are often looked for by companies that make hard cider since these old forgotten species are what the original hard cider was made from.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 7:06:07 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 10:18 am, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/4/2019 4:42 PM, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by
all means do it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT
comment about cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I
just eat actual food." Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once.Â* The day was cold.Â* The pie
was hot. Seemed like a good idea at the time.Â* It wasn't
though.Â* I was regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


It's a good story though!

At 85 miles into a sunny but windy 40F late September century, my friend
and I were just out of everything and stopped to eat some field corn
(dairy cow maize, not sweet corn). The effect was miraculous and within
minutes we were back riding.


From a digestion point of view, corn is very different from meat.

I refuelled with a couple of donuts and a powerade drink, with about
20km to go on a 250km ride, one day. Similarly miraculous.

--
JS

The magic is REAL (tm) sugar. I don't know what it is with the simple sugars but they don't give you that spring back like realy sugar does.

Tom Kunich writes:

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/4/2019 7:25 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 9/4/2019 4:42 PM, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by
all means do it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT
comment about cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I
just eat actual food." Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie
was hot. Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't
though. I was regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


It's a good story though!

At 85 miles into a sunny but windy 40F late September century, my
friend and I were just out of everything and stopped to eat some field
corn (dairy cow maize, not sweet corn). The effect was miraculous and
within minutes we were back riding.

Raw? No sorghum or onions available? Did you eat the stalk and leaves,
silage-style?

I have sampled roadside apples and concord grapes, both quite
uncultivated, and rode away refreshed.


Just the hard school-bus-yellow raw kernels.

I have also pilfered an apple occasionally[1] but more from
curiosity (always pleasantly surprised!) than desperation.

[1]A Milwaukee Journal photographer snapped me riding no
hands in mid-bite near an orchard and it was printed. Ouch.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Most of the apple orchards that used to be around here are gone now
but you will occasionally trip across one in the forest. Some of these
are long forgotten species and they are often looked for by companies
that make hard cider since these old forgotten species are what the
original hard cider was made from.

In a month or so I'll go to my favorite u-pick orchard, to pick some
winesaps and some russet apples. I can't get them anywhere else. I
planted two winesaps in my backyard, but have harvested no apples yet.

On 5/9/19 6:46 pm, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 00:06:25 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by all means do it
more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT comment about
cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I just eat actual food." Works
for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie was hot.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't though. I was
regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


During one long ride where I was starting to bonk, the combination of a
Cornish pastie and a half litre of chocolate milk was damn near miraculous,
so maybe there’s an optimum amount of meat.

Actually the body digests protein relatively slowly so perhaps the
beef wasn't what made the difference. The gravy and pastry might well
have been the real energy producers :-)

I read somewhere that milk is quite good to rehydrate with. The fat and
solids somehow slow down the processing and the body can absorb the
water well and retain it rather than it passing through as if you drink
straight water. Of course it would be bad if you have some milk
intolerance.

--
JS

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 12:55:13 +1000, James
wrote:

On 5/9/19 6:46 pm, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 00:06:25 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by all means do it
more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT comment about
cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I just eat actual food." Works
for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie was hot.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't though. I was
regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


During one long ride where I was starting to bonk, the combination of a
Cornish pastie and a half litre of chocolate milk was damn near miraculous,
so maybe there’s an optimum amount of meat.

Actually the body digests protein relatively slowly so perhaps the
beef wasn't what made the difference. The gravy and pastry might well
have been the real energy producers :-)

I read somewhere that milk is quite good to rehydrate with. The fat and
solids somehow slow down the processing and the body can absorb the
water well and retain it rather than it passing through as if you drink
straight water. Of course it would be bad if you have some milk
intolerance.

I was stationed with some French Troops who had just returned from
"indo-China". It was the first time I'd heard of the place.

Anyway, they were acutely sensitive to milk and a good sized glass at
breakfast would confine them to the toilet for a whole morning.

I said to their sergeant, "if you don't drink the milk you won't get
sick".... and this says something about either the Military Mind, or
the French Mind... he replied, "but we get the morning off :-)

--
cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 5:49:55 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
Tom Kunich writes:

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/4/2019 7:25 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 9/4/2019 4:42 PM, James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by
all means do it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT
comment about cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I
just eat actual food." Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie
was hot. Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't
though. I was regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


It's a good story though!

At 85 miles into a sunny but windy 40F late September century, my
friend and I were just out of everything and stopped to eat some field
corn (dairy cow maize, not sweet corn). The effect was miraculous and
within minutes we were back riding.

Raw? No sorghum or onions available? Did you eat the stalk and leaves,
silage-style?

I have sampled roadside apples and concord grapes, both quite
uncultivated, and rode away refreshed.


Just the hard school-bus-yellow raw kernels.

I have also pilfered an apple occasionally[1] but more from
curiosity (always pleasantly surprised!) than desperation.

[1]A Milwaukee Journal photographer snapped me riding no
hands in mid-bite near an orchard and it was printed. Ouch.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Most of the apple orchards that used to be around here are gone now
but you will occasionally trip across one in the forest. Some of these
are long forgotten species and they are often looked for by companies
that make hard cider since these old forgotten species are what the
original hard cider was made from.

In a month or so I'll go to my favorite u-pick orchard, to pick some
winesaps and some russet apples. I can't get them anywhere else. I
planted two winesaps in my backyard, but have harvested no apples yet.

We're fond of Fujis, Galas and one other that I can't remember but was introduced last year. Typical PNW apples, although Red Delicious -- the great bland apple -- is probably king of the PNW apples. Hood River Valley is spectacular at apple and pear blossom time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST6y_4x5WJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OhqFcSJFJk I rode out there a few weeks ago. No blooms, but lots of wind surfers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=wwMzTcHB5_0 You figure the wind wrong, and you're going to be seriously miserable on riding on the Gorge. I slaughtered myself riding home in a head wind last week -- I wanted to call an Uber once I hit civilization.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 00:06:25 +0000, Ralph Barone wrote:

James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by all means do
it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT comment about
cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I just eat actual food."
Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie was hot.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't though. I was
regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


During one long ride where I was starting to bonk, the combination of a
Cornish pastie and a half litre of chocolate milk was damn near
miraculous,
so maybe there’s an optimum amount of meat.

IMU, it is the chocolate milk that gave you the boost.

On Friday, 6 September 2019 03:54:35 UTC-4, news18 wrote:
On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 00:06:25 +0000, Ralph Barone wrote:

James wrote:
On 5/9/19 7:20 am, AMuzi wrote:


I don't know.
I'm happy that you are happy. If this works for you, by all means do
it more.

Your post reminded me of Chalo's all time pithy RBT comment about
cycling-specific energy bars and drinks, "I just eat actual food."
Works for me too.


I ate a meat pie mid ride once. The day was cold. The pie was hot.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't though. I was
regurgitating meat all the way home.

Some actual food is counter productive.


During one long ride where I was starting to bonk, the combination of a
Cornish pastie and a half litre of chocolate milk was damn near
miraculous,
so maybe there’s an optimum amount of meat.

IMU, it is the chocolate milk that gave you the boost.

I've read that chocolate milk is an ideal recovery drink.

Cheers