OT rant aargh!

the new season of survivor... a woman scout leader, I'm sorry but how does a
woman teach boys to be men? I guess I've been too conditioned by my son's
troop who's attitude is "mom's butt out out and let your son become a man
under the leadership of men and boys..." ( and I agree btw)


ok, carry on....

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:10:28 -0700, Penny S penned:
the new season of survivor... a woman scout leader, I'm sorry but how does a
woman teach boys to be men? I guess I've been too conditioned by my son's
troop who's attitude is "mom's butt out out and let your son become a man
under the leadership of men and boys..." ( and I agree btw)


ok, carry on....


Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

Seriously, by the time kids are old enough to join scouts, they've
absorbed plenty of gender-role indoctrination. Do they really need
more? If a scout leader knows how to lead and how to do all of the
things the scouts need to do, who cares whether it's a male or a female?

Actually, now I'm curious. Why *do* you think it matters?

PS -- it's survivor. It's a show put on for ratings, not for realism.

--
monique

My pointless ramblings:
http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6

"Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:10:28 -0700, Penny S
penned:
the new season of survivor... a woman scout leader, I'm sorry but how
does a
woman teach boys to be men? I guess I've been too conditioned by my
son's
troop who's attitude is "mom's butt out out and let your son become a
man
under the leadership of men and boys..." ( and I agree btw)


ok, carry on....


Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

Seriously, by the time kids are old enough to join scouts, they've
absorbed plenty of gender-role indoctrination. Do they really need
more? If a scout leader knows how to lead and how to do all of the
things the scouts need to do, who cares whether it's a male or a female?

I agree! I would be more than willing to lead a troop of teenage females!
Hey, I'm a 'people' person.

Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

There's a difference?

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:57:42 -0700, Slacker penned:
Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

There's a difference?


That's kind of my point ...

--
monique

My pointless ramblings:
http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6

Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

There's a difference?


That's kind of my point ...

--
monique

Are you a feminist?
--
Slacker

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:33:25 -0700, Slacker penned:

Are you a feminist?
--
Slacker


I like to consider myself an "individualist" ...

Sorry for the cop-out answer, but ... I used to think "feminist" meant
man-hater, and I know better than that now, but the definition of
feminism is still pretty convoluted and I'm not sure I do agree with
everything that feminism means ... If I understood my "philosophy of
physics" class in college, feminism also means "the realization that
people's backgrounds influence the way that they interpret data," and
that sounds pretty true but I don't think has much to do with what most
of us think of as "feminism."

--
monique

My pointless ramblings:
http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6

Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

There's a difference?


That's kind of my point ...

LOL Monique-- I think you're missing the point. This was supposed to be a
rant. There's really no reason to argue or offer counter points. IIRC,
according to Ranter's Rules & Regulations (RRR) only people who agree with
the ranter are allowed to throw their two cents in. 2 cents + 1 cent = 3
cents... hmm...

-John Morgan
--
"I tried lube, careful prying, careful digging and even not so careful
digging. Little chunks of rubber." --Sad Bob

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:51:37 -0700, John Morgan penned:

LOL Monique-- I think you're missing the point. This was supposed to be a
rant. There's really no reason to argue or offer counter points. IIRC,
according to Ranter's Rules & Regulations (RRR) only people who agree with
the ranter are allowed to throw their two cents in. 2 cents + 1 cent = 3
cents... hmm...

-John Morgan

"Sheer entertainment value" doesn't count as a reason anymore?

Poo!

--
monique

My pointless ramblings:
http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6

Monique Y. Herman scrawled in bright red lipstick:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:10:28 -0700, Penny S
penned:
the new season of survivor... a woman scout leader, I'm sorry but
how does a woman teach boys to be men? I guess I've been too
conditioned by my son's troop who's attitude is "mom's butt out out
and let your son become a man under the leadership of men and
boys..." ( and I agree btw)


ok, carry on....


Maybe they don't need to be taught to be "men," and instead need to be
taught to be people?

nope, as a mom of boys I do believe that moms need to step back and men need
to step in. Men and women are different.

Seriously, by the time kids are old enough to join scouts, they've
absorbed plenty of gender-role indoctrination. Do they really need
more? If a scout leader knows how to lead and how to do all of the
things the scouts need to do, who cares whether it's a male or a
female?

see above.

Actually, now I'm curious. Why *do* you think it matters?


Even my sons are laughing about it.
the whole thing is stupid TV at it's finest.

P.