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  #11  
Old December 11th 12, 01:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:02:47 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Justin wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:41 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:07:02 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it
must be awful for pedestrians.

Really!?
http://goo.gl/maps/I9zNI

I can see a few bicycles on the footway, and some of those
pedestrians might also be cyclists. But I can't spot anyone riding
a bike on the footway.

I was looking on Google earth (rather than google maps) and the
whole area around the junction was covered in bicycles, probably
around twenty or more, and only one was riding in the road.


They must be big bicycles if 20 were sufficient to cover a whole area.
Idiot.


Is idiot your sig.? You might want to change that.

Anyway, since you don't know how big the area I am describing is, you are
not qualified to comment, but I do realise that perhaps you are mentally
challenged and foreign to boot ('to boot' is an English idiom, meaning
'also').


It is not unreasonable to believe that you are describing the area
around Cambridge Railway Station.

Looking at Google Earth I can see several pedestrians with long
shadows, but no cyclists on the footway (although I do not rule out
that possibility).

Google Earth has an excellent way of pinpointing lawbreakers with
co-ordinates. If you zoom in on one or two of these footway cyclists,
hover your mouse of the rider, then post the co-ordinates of the
errant cyclist, we will be able to better understand the nature of the
problem to which you are referring.

There's a cyclist riding through Cambridge Station Car Park he
52-11'42.31"N 0-08'15.27"E.
For example.
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Old December 11th 12, 02:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:02:47 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Justin wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:41 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:07:02 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it
must be awful for pedestrians.

Really!?
http://goo.gl/maps/I9zNI

I can see a few bicycles on the footway, and some of those
pedestrians might also be cyclists. But I can't spot anyone riding
a bike on the footway.

I was looking on Google earth (rather than google maps) and the
whole area around the junction was covered in bicycles, probably
around twenty or more, and only one was riding in the road.

They must be big bicycles if 20 were sufficient to cover a whole
area. Idiot.


Is idiot your sig.? You might want to change that.

Anyway, since you don't know how big the area I am describing is,
you are not qualified to comment, but I do realise that perhaps you
are mentally challenged and foreign to boot ('to boot' is an English
idiom, meaning 'also').


It is not unreasonable to believe that you are describing the area
around Cambridge Railway Station.

Looking at Google Earth I can see several pedestrians with long
shadows, but no cyclists on the footway (although I do not rule out
that possibility).

Google Earth has an excellent way of pinpointing lawbreakers with
co-ordinates. If you zoom in on one or two of these footway cyclists,
hover your mouse of the rider, then post the co-ordinates of the
errant cyclist, we will be able to better understand the nature of the
problem to which you are referring.

There's a cyclist riding through Cambridge Station Car Park he
52-11'42.31"N 0-08'15.27"E.
For example.


it depends upon which frame you look at, but 52.220858, 0.134245 viewed from
the middle of the x road shows 6 pavement cyclists in a gaggle at the edge
of the road outside the PC repair place waiting to cross and a further three
pavement cyclists on either of the two arms of the x road. AFAICS those
bits are not shared use. From a slightly different position in the road the
PC repair place is a different shop named Hopper Ltd. So obviously the
different views are completely different dates.

likewise the pavement cyclist with child on the back (in a seat) at
52.220837 0.134338 (diagonally opposite side to the 6 above) The same view
shows a red light jumping cyclist wearing hi-viz.

Very long shadows would of course show early or late in the day and more
probably early, so perhaps your shots are before the cyclists get going?


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Old December 11th 12, 03:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:13:33 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:02:47 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Justin wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:41 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:07:02 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it
must be awful for pedestrians.

Really!?
http://goo.gl/maps/I9zNI

I can see a few bicycles on the footway, and some of those
pedestrians might also be cyclists. But I can't spot anyone riding
a bike on the footway.

I was looking on Google earth (rather than google maps) and the
whole area around the junction was covered in bicycles, probably
around twenty or more, and only one was riding in the road.

They must be big bicycles if 20 were sufficient to cover a whole
area. Idiot.

Is idiot your sig.? You might want to change that.

Anyway, since you don't know how big the area I am describing is,
you are not qualified to comment, but I do realise that perhaps you
are mentally challenged and foreign to boot ('to boot' is an English
idiom, meaning 'also').


It is not unreasonable to believe that you are describing the area
around Cambridge Railway Station.

Looking at Google Earth I can see several pedestrians with long
shadows, but no cyclists on the footway (although I do not rule out
that possibility).

Google Earth has an excellent way of pinpointing lawbreakers with
co-ordinates. If you zoom in on one or two of these footway cyclists,
hover your mouse of the rider, then post the co-ordinates of the
errant cyclist, we will be able to better understand the nature of the
problem to which you are referring.

There's a cyclist riding through Cambridge Station Car Park he
52-11'42.31"N 0-08'15.27"E.
For example.


it depends upon which frame you look at, but 52.220858, 0.134245 viewed from
the middle of the x road shows 6 pavement cyclists in a gaggle at the edge
of the road outside the PC repair place waiting to cross and a further three
pavement cyclists on either of the two arms of the x road. AFAICS those
bits are not shared use. From a slightly different position in the road the
PC repair place is a different shop named Hopper Ltd. So obviously the
different views are completely different dates.

likewise the pavement cyclist with child on the back (in a seat) at
52.220837 0.134338 (diagonally opposite side to the 6 above) The same view
shows a red light jumping cyclist wearing hi-viz.

Very long shadows would of course show early or late in the day and more
probably early, so perhaps your shots are before the cyclists get going?


My first point is that I thought we were talking about the area around
the railway station.

My second and final point is that in the location to which you refer,
there are indications that several of those footways are shared use:
http://goo.gl/maps/5cnYE
http://goo.gl/maps/aA4Rs
http://goo.gl/maps/FLJm0
(In this example, the evidence is more tenuous. Is the white line
indicating a footway cycle path or some boundary between council and
private land?)

However, it is clear that one or two cyclists have contravened best
practice, and possibly infringed a law.
  #14  
Old December 11th 12, 04:32 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
thirty-six
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On Dec 10, 9:57*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 10/12/2012 20:07, Mrcheerful wrote:









Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily, was caught in an operation
by special officers who said residents were angry at cyclists avoiding
traffic lights by riding on pavements.


The 35-year-old, who was convicted of riding a pedal cycle on a footpath
after a one-hour trial at Cambridge Magistrates' Court, was one of 40
cyclists caught at the junction of Arbury Road and Milton Road on September
6 - but chose to fight his case as he said the path followed on from a
shared use pavement and there was nothing to show it was illegal to cycle
there.


A Cambridgeshire County Council spokesman said: "Shared use footpaths are
clearly marked and our advice to cyclists would be that unless the footpath
is clearly signed as such they should not use it as a cycleway."


Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it must be
awful for pedestrians.


http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News...or-riding-on-p...


I see that the cyclist was "given a criminal record" and that the:


cool, 12"? 78 or 45? mono/stereo? 1.8mil , 1 mil or 0.7mil?


"... Arbury Court resident was fined 30 plus a 15 victim surcharge.
Fixed penalty notices on the day involve a 30 fine".


and he had good reason to reject such an on-the-street judgement.


Bearing in mind that he must have been *observed* committing this mean,
nasty, selfish, offence,


did the fence "need" painting?

he should have had an additional exemplary fine
(say, 1,000) for wasting the time, and insulting the intelligence of,
the court and all involved.


Bull****, these "court hearings" are part of the indoctrination and
the funding for such is long established for the oppression of the
common man. Accepting payment from the the oppressed in order to
oppress is so obviously corrupt that one can't help but think that for
those involved, their sentence to endure hell and damnation for all
eternity cannot come soon enough.

  #15  
Old December 11th 12, 04:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
thirty-six
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On Dec 10, 8:07*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily,


Odd, it's a station, not like it's gonna change or move.

was caught in an operation


with a net in an operating theatre? I hope thay had a licence,
perhaps from the PO?

by special officers


Fookin trained specialists, not an original idea in their heads.

who said residents were angry

HEARSAY!

at cyclists avoiding
traffic lights by riding on pavements.


but the IMAGinary controls are so dangerous. ;-)

The 35-year-old, who was convicted of riding a pedal cycle


not driving then.

on a footpath


One wonders HOW can this be offensive, surely the CRIME would need to
be USING a bicycle, merely riding is like riding a bus, one s simply a
passenger. I believe the legislation itself is worse than ambiguous.

after a one-hour trial at Cambridge Magistrates' Court,


Rather short to gain full recognition of the facts. Kangaroos spring
to mind.

was one of 40
cyclists caught


Hmm, strong-arm?

at the junction of Arbury Road and Milton Road on September
6 - but chose to fight his case as he said the path followed on from a
shared use pavement and there was nothing to show it was illegal to cycle
there.


So, he was invited to use the path by the "local authority" under
policy guidance from "central government" but was prosecuted anyway?

A Cambridgeshire County Council spokesman said: "Shared use footpaths are
clearly marked and our advice to cyclists would be that unless the footpath
is clearly signed as such they should not use it as a cycleway."



Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it must be
awful for pedestrians.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News...or-riding-on-p...


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Old December 11th 12, 05:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mentalguy2k8[_2_]
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"thirty-six" wrote in message
...
On Dec 10, 8:07 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily,


Odd, it's a station, not like it's gonna change or move.


was caught in an operation


with a net in an operating theatre? I hope thay had a licence,
perhaps from the PO?


by special officers


Fookin trained specialists, not an original idea in their heads.


Are you currently receiving care in the community?

  #17  
Old December 12th 12, 04:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
thirty-six
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On Dec 11, 4:04*pm, "Mentalguy2k8" wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message

...
On Dec 10, 8:07 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily,
Odd, it's a station, not like it's gonna change or move.
was caught in an operation
with a net in an operating theatre? *I hope thay had a licence,
perhaps from the PO?
by special officers
Fookin *trained specialists, not an original idea in their heads.


Are you currently receiving care in the community?


are you trying to drum up business?

are you not telling us that psychiatric illness is all the head?

if psychiatry did not exist who is sell all those magical drugs for
i,maginary mind conditions for failure to comply with societal
expectorants.
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Old December 12th 12, 04:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Dec 12, 3:56*am, thirty-six wrote:
On Dec 11, 4:04*pm, "Mentalguy2k8" wrote:

"thirty-six" wrote in message


....
On Dec 10, 8:07 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:


Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily,
Odd, it's a station, not like it's gonna change or move.
was caught in an operation
with a net in an operating theatre? *I hope thay had a licence,
perhaps from the PO?
by special officers
Fookin *trained specialists, not an original idea in their heads.


Are you currently receiving care in the community?


are you trying to drum up business?

are you not telling us that psychiatric illness is all the head?

if psychiatry did not exist who is sell all those magical drugs for
i,maginary mind conditions for failure to comply with societal
expectorants.


???
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Old December 12th 12, 09:18 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On 11/12/2012 16:04, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

"thirty-six" wrote in message
...
On Dec 10, 8:07 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily,


Odd, it's a station, not like it's gonna change or move.


was caught in an operation


with a net in an operating theatre? I hope thay had a licence,
perhaps from the PO?


by special officers


Fookin trained specialists, not an original idea in their heads.


Are you currently receiving care in the community?



If so, it isn't working.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
  #20  
Old December 12th 12, 09:20 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Pavement cyclist loses in court

On 10/12/2012 21:57, JNugent wrote:
On 10/12/2012 20:07, Mrcheerful wrote:

Mr Arnold, who cycles to Cambridge station daily, was caught in an
operation
by special officers who said residents were angry at cyclists avoiding
traffic lights by riding on pavements.

The 35-year-old, who was convicted of riding a pedal cycle on a footpath
after a one-hour trial at Cambridge Magistrates' Court, was one of 40
cyclists caught at the junction of Arbury Road and Milton Road on
September
6 - but chose to fight his case as he said the path followed on from a
shared use pavement and there was nothing to show it was illegal to cycle
there.

A Cambridgeshire County Council spokesman said: "Shared use footpaths are
clearly marked and our advice to cyclists would be that unless the
footpath
is clearly signed as such they should not use it as a cycleway."

Looking on google earth the pavements are awash with cyclists, it must be
awful for pedestrians.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News...t-06122012.htm


I see that the cyclist was "given a criminal record" and that the:

"... Arbury Court resident was fined £30 plus a £15 victim surcharge.
Fixed penalty notices on the day involve a £30 fine".

Bearing in mind that he must have been *observed* committing this mean,
nasty, selfish, offence, he should have had an additional exemplary fine
(say, £1,000) for wasting the time, and insulting the intelligence of,
the court and all involved.


Perhaps his legal adviser was Anchor Lee?

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
 




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