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On Mar 4, 8:09*am, "
wrote: On Mar 4, 9:56*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: jwbinpdx wrote: On Mar 4, 7:08 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. Let them buy it. *It's good for the economy. *Plus I liked riding by the fat guy in the Lance-A-Like outfit when my leg was still broken and in an ortho boot. I thought to myself, "how must it feel to be passed by a old guy on a cross bike with 35mm tires and a broken leg going up hill." Then I realized that he didn't care. It must be really liberating to not care about being a dork. I think that puts a person just a little closer to Nirvana. -- Jay Beattie. "Dork" -- or maybe just a person with physical challenges who loves cycling, isn't afraid to show it, and makes the best of it. *(Sounds eerily similar to...you. *Well, except for the "isn't afraid to show it" part.) HTH, BS Plus I liked riding by the fat guy or maybe just a person with physical challenges So Bill you are one of those politically correct persons who does not like to state the truth. *To me a fat guy is a fat guy. *He ain't physically challenged. *Although I would not be surprised there isn't some government program in our $787 billion stimulus bill to give aid and comfort to fat guys.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Plus, the guy was not a dork because he was fat -- it was because he was on an uber-bike and squeezed like a sausage in to full trade-team outfit (down to the socks -- I never did that even when I raced and had to wear uniforms). But again, that's his thang -- he can do what he wants to do. It's good for the economy. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Wrong wrong wrong.... (ON topic)
Clive George wrote:
"Bill Sornson" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mar 4, 9:56 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote (NOTE EDITING): jwbinpdx wrote: On Mar 4, 7:08 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. Let them buy it. It's good for the economy. Plus I liked riding by the fat guy in the Lance-A-Like outfit when my leg was still broken and in an ortho boot. I thought to myself, "how must it feel to be passed by a old guy on a cross bike with 35mm tires and a broken leg going up hill." Then I realized that he didn't care. It must be really liberating to not care about being a dork. I think that puts a person just a little closer to Nirvana. -- Jay Beattie. "Dork" -- or maybe just a person with physical challenges who loves cycling, isn't afraid to show it, and makes the best of it. (Sounds eerily similar to...you. Well, except for the "isn't afraid to show it" part.) HTH, BS Plus I liked riding by the fat guy or maybe just a person with physical challenges (NOTE I DID NOT WRITE THAT AS/WHERE QUOTED) FFS Bill, you really don't get the quoting thing, do you. Of course I do. What I don't get is why someone would repeat phrases and ADD QUOTATION DELINEATORS as if things had been posted twice. They weren't. If you want to cherry pick a point upon which to comment, use quotation marks or at least state what you're doing; otherwise, it's misleading at best, dishonest at worst. HTH You wrote just what has been quoted - both the "Dork" to "HTH, BS bit, and the phrase "or maybe just a person with physical challenges". FFS Repetitive much? |
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Wrong wrong wrong.... (ON topic)
On Mar 4, 10:09*am, "
wrote: On Mar 4, 9:56*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: jwbinpdx wrote: On Mar 4, 7:08 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. Let them buy it. *It's good for the economy. *Plus I liked riding by the fat guy in the Lance-A-Like outfit when my leg was still broken and in an ortho boot. I thought to myself, "how must it feel to be passed by a old guy on a cross bike with 35mm tires and a broken leg going up hill." Then I realized that he didn't care. It must be really liberating to not care about being a dork. I think that puts a person just a little closer to Nirvana. -- Jay Beattie. "Dork" -- or maybe just a person with physical challenges who loves cycling, isn't afraid to show it, and makes the best of it. *(Sounds eerily similar to...you. *Well, except for the "isn't afraid to show it" part.) HTH, BS Plus I liked riding by the fat guy or maybe just a person with physical challenges So Bill you are one of those politically correct persons who does not like to state the truth. *To me a fat guy is a fat guy. *He ain't physically challenged. *Although I would not be surprised there isn't some government program in our $787 billion stimulus bill to give aid and comfort to fat guys. Hell yes, it's called the GOP. Except it is only for fat guys who are rich, old and white. D'ohBoy |
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Wrong wrong wrong.... (ON topic)
Clive George wrote:
"Bill Sornson" wrote in message ... wrote: On Mar 4, 9:56 am, "Bill Sornson" wrote (NOTE EDITING): jwbinpdx wrote: On Mar 4, 7:08 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. Let them buy it. It's good for the economy. Plus I liked riding by the fat guy in the Lance-A-Like outfit when my leg was still broken and in an ortho boot. I thought to myself, "how must it feel to be passed by a old guy on a cross bike with 35mm tires and a broken leg going up hill." Then I realized that he didn't care. It must be really liberating to not care about being a dork. I think that puts a person just a little closer to Nirvana. -- Jay Beattie. "Dork" -- or maybe just a person with physical challenges who loves cycling, isn't afraid to show it, and makes the best of it. (Sounds eerily similar to...you. Well, except for the "isn't afraid to show it" part.) HTH, BS Plus I liked riding by the fat guy or maybe just a person with physical challenges (NOTE I DID NOT WRITE THAT AS/WHERE QUOTED) FFS Bill, you really don't get the quoting thing, do you. You wrote just what has been quoted - both the "Dork" to "HTH, BS bit, and the phrase "or maybe just a person with physical challenges". Sorni has had that issue of not understanding threading for a while. If you do not quote him in full in a response, he whines about you "deleting" part of his post. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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On Mar 4, 11:53*am, "D'ohBoy" wrote:
On Mar 4, 10:09*am, " wrote: On Mar 4, 9:56*am, "Bill Sornson" wrote: jwbinpdx wrote: On Mar 4, 7:08 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. Let them buy it. *It's good for the economy. *Plus I liked riding by the fat guy in the Lance-A-Like outfit when my leg was still broken and in an ortho boot. I thought to myself, "how must it feel to be passed by a old guy on a cross bike with 35mm tires and a broken leg going up hill." Then I realized that he didn't care. It must be really liberating to not care about being a dork. I think that puts a person just a little closer to Nirvana. -- Jay Beattie. "Dork" -- or maybe just a person with physical challenges who loves cycling, isn't afraid to show it, and makes the best of it. *(Sounds eerily similar to...you. *Well, except for the "isn't afraid to show it" part.) HTH, BS Plus I liked riding by the fat guy or maybe just a person with physical challenges So Bill you are one of those politically correct persons who does not like to state the truth. *To me a fat guy is a fat guy. *He ain't physically challenged. *Although I would not be surprised there isn't some government program in our $787 billion stimulus bill to give aid and comfort to fat guys. Hell yes, it's called the GOP. Except it is only for fat guys who are rich, old and white. D'ohBoy That is to say, they take all comers, as long as they contribute money. But the purpose is to support fat rich old white guys. Fronted by a black man who's takin' it 'off the hook'. That still cracks me up :-D D'ohBoy |
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Well, let's follow the logic to its conclusion.... WAS Wrongwrong wrong.... (ON topic)
On Mar 5, 2:44 am, "D'ohBoy" wrote:
On Mar 3, 4:17 pm, Henry wrote: On Mar 3, 3:07 am, "D'ohBoy" wrote: Well, there were a lotta things said by various 'authoritative' individuals about my new carbon wheels. Firstly, and most importantly: braking is as good as with any of my alloy rims! Did a coupla panic stops, and some more gradual braking during bombing a hill, with an anticipated turn at the bottom type braking. Yes, the brakes did require a bit more modulation but certainly I was able to stop and control braking as well as ever. Yes, the pads are more spendy (unless purchased in bulkish quantities on ebay - which I did) but they do work quite well. Secondly: no, I did NOT have to correct the spoke line. Anyhoo, the wheels climb like a monkey, spin up nice and are only mildly affected by crosswinds (30mm section). Went for a ride yesterday in 15 - 20 mph winds and had a great time. 18 degrees ambient. God it was great to get out on the bike again! Sorry (oh, wait, not sorry at all), but you 'nattering nabobs of negativism' were totally wrong. D'ohBoy the whole weight thing confuses me. I see plenty of "heavy" riders with expensive bikes and bits and wonder if it's a case of having deep pockets. If I weigh 95 kilo's, will I go faster losing 5 kg's of lard or spending $5k for a 5 kg lighter bike ? Hmmm.... this is a question that has been put forth many a time. And rather tired, like Master Fogel's weight/time/power charts. Let me turn that question around: if carbon rims are merely a trendy (AND dangerous) fashion statement, whose benefits are limited, why don't we examine the latest crop of alloy rims? Uhhhh.... Jobst believes that the MA2 is the best rim ever made. But you can't get those anymore. So let's get some other rim. But anodizing weakens the rim! And most rims now are anodized. Maybe wood rims are the way to go. Course wood rims can burn. All you need is spark and oxygen and those rims are toast! And can you really go that much faster on a bike with drop bars? Really, somewhat dangerous as the brakes aren't always right at hand and not really much of a gain there in terms of aerodynamics. Flat bars, wooden rims now. Stainless spokes? Really? What is the gain there? A little more durable than zinc plated but mostly they just stay shiny. So now we have a flat bar bike with wooden rims and zinc plated spokes. Now let's examine frame materials. Carbon? According to some 'authorities' here, very very dangerous and poorly understood material. So that's out. Alloy? Fails catastrophically! OMG, Timmy, you get off that alloy frame right now, it's about to explode! Steel? Well, now, if you are talking that newfangled thinwall ****e, you might as well form it into a coffin. I'm thinking like mild steel plumbing pipe. But welding is really just a fad. I'm thinking threaded elbows etc... from the plumbing supply shop will do the trick. And what the hell is up with all those gears? Really, one only needs one in the front and one in the back to go. And bearings? ummmm.... waste of time, just makes your workouts longer. Now that I think about it, why the hell bike anyway? Too spendy. And way too dangerous, what with all that alloy and carbon about. Maybe just walk. Course, you'd need shoes for that. Plus, pretty damn dangerous. People fall down all the time. I seen it on tv - the old lady grabs some little device and whines 'Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!'. Screw biking. Screw exercise. You retro-whiners have shown me the light. Someone point me at the cheese and bratwurst, I'm done with exercise. D'ohBoy Oops. |
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Wrong wrong wrong.... (ON topic)
On Mar 3, 4:17*pm, Henry wrote:
On Mar 3, 3:07 am, "D'ohBoy" wrote: Well, there were a lotta things said by various 'authoritative' individuals about my new carbon wheels. Firstly, and most importantly: *braking is as good as with any of my alloy rims! *Did a coupla panic stops, and some more gradual braking during bombing a hill, with an anticipated turn at the bottom type braking. *Yes, the brakes did require a bit more modulation but certainly I was able to stop and control braking as well as ever. Yes, the pads are more spendy (unless purchased in bulkish quantities on ebay - which I did) but they do work quite well. Secondly: *no, I did NOT have to correct the spoke line. Anyhoo, the wheels climb like a monkey, spin up nice and are only mildly affected by crosswinds (30mm section). *Went for a ride yesterday in 15 - 20 mph winds and had a great time. *18 degrees ambient. *God it was great to get out on the bike again! Sorry (oh, wait, not sorry at all), but you 'nattering nabobs of negativism' were totally wrong. D'ohBoy the whole weight thing confuses me. I see plenty of "heavy" riders with expensive bikes and bits and wonder if it's a case of having deep pockets. If I weigh 95 kilo's, will I go faster losing 5 kg's of lard or spending $5k for a 5 kg lighter bike ? Faster (as long as healthy), 10kg less body weight. Faster (if not completely non-aero compared to a heavier, completely aero bike), 5 kg lighter bike. A neighbor has an all-new bike, est. build cost $2800; it weighs 16 1/2 lbs, I think it's a 56 c-c seat tube. No aero (IRT bars, wheels). --D-y |
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Wrong wrong wrong.... (ON topic)
On Mar 5, 4:08 am, Tom Sherman
wrote: "jim beam" wrote: Henry wrote: [...] the whole weight thing confuses me. I see plenty of "heavy" riders with expensive bikes and bits and wonder if it's a case of having deep pockets. If I weigh 95 kilo's, will I go faster losing 5 kg's of lard or spending $5k for a 5 kg lighter bike ? like spending $120k on a porsche when you can only drive 55? dude, some people /like/ the porsche. and they can afford it. and we're not a communist nanny state, yet. A tiny fraction of Porsche owners take their cars to weekend track events and such where the capabilities of the car can be used. The rest are just trying to impress women with their potential spending ability. Hell, I have gained on a Boxster on a long on-ramp while driving my freaking company work truck. Just like the fat guy who buys a Trek MadOne and the full Lance-A-Like outfit to ride down the bike path at 20 kph. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll being a recent ex FB (was 105 kg, now 80) myself I think I can speak with some experience here. I got fit (at 105 kg), and it really did rip my undies when the sprout- eating "i wonder if they're only _as_ fit as me" types went skipping past me going up a steep climb. What I also found out is that I go much faster than most downhill. Flat stuff I was able to stay in a group at ~40 KPH. So I'd constantly find when I went and did K2 ( in 7 hours); http://www.arcevents.co.nz/k2cycle/profile.html that these 70 kg types ride like little girls down hill, which is kind of funny as a lot of them were (little girls). Bad for my ego; except the downhill where I didn't get passed once So I decided to lose 25 kg, and I've still got the same bike, and I do go uphill _quite_ a bit quicker; but when I was a FB I think I tried harder But on the negative side I get knocked around a lot more in the wind :O and I don't have the same "momentum" going downhill either! I'll have to go back to K2 and see how much faster. In all seriousness what is the difference between the reduction in rider weight and reduction in bike weight of the same amount? It's nice that my knees don't knock into my belly any more Obviously I couldn't get a 25kg lighter bike, and my cycling fitness has suffered a bit due to swimming and running training. |
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