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"Lou Holtman" wrote in message
... The point is if you want to keep riding 9 speed you still can with good quality components. Lou, I'm arguing that those components are not "quality". Have you looked at that stuff? Taken it apart? Observed the plastic components etc.? I'm certainly not suggesting that it is junk by any stretch of the imagination - but neither is it 105 or higher quality. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"M-gineering" wrote in message ... Tom Kunich wrote: "jim beam" wrote in message t... so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers? ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed. When did ST R600 become 105? Shimano thinks they are Ultegra level -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl |
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Qui si parla Campagnolo writes:
Pretty simple, Campagnolo stopped making Centaur with aluminum axle and Chorus hubs in 2006. Hubset chopices for 2007/8 are the Black Record, Centaur with cart bearings and steel axle(acxtually relabeled Veloce hubs), Veloce... And Veloce was available in 2007 only. The hubs don't actually have the text "Veloce" anywhere on them, but 2008 Centaur (and Mirage) has the new design QR, so there is at least some way to tell them apart. I guess I'd better stock up a few Mirage rear hubs for utility and foul weather use before they are gone altogether. Also, shouldn't the "red" Record Ergos be available with substantial discounts pretty soon, what with all pro wannabes now just waiting for 11s? |
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: "Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 7:16 am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: When did ST R600 become 105? Didn't. New shape, ala 7800 and 6600, 8 and 9s levers. No more DA, ultegra or 105 9s levers being made. Those 3 are 10s, and 9s and 8s relegated to lower end levers. That was my point Peter. I'm trying to argue that there is a good market for quality 9-speed stuff still and perhaps that market is significantly larger than for 10 or 11 speed stuff. I think that we're all getting damned tired of the idea that more speed equals better. Tom: 9-speed shifters don't really cost any less to make, quality being equal, than 10-speed shifters. The other parts of the system are the derailers (which also don't cost any less to make, and are agnostic about how many cogs they shift, until the creation of the new-spec D-A cable pull for 2009), and the cassette, which is a wear item. So what happens is you bring your trashed Ultegra 9s brifters into the bike shop, and the wise proprietor will point out you just need to buy a new cassette (and your old one is half-worn anyways) and you're in the world of 10s. The number of people who in that circumstance would choose to stay with 9-speed is not a market. The real cheapskates just buy used 9s, which are cheap and plentiful. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
The other parts of the system are the derailers (which also don't cost any less to make, and are agnostic about how many cogs they shift, until the creation of the new-spec D-A cable pull for 2009) According the chart here, http://www.dura-ace.com/downloads/in...ngeability.pdf , the 2009 D-A levers are interchangeable with the current 7800 D-A levers with regards to the rear derailleur operation, so there must be no cable pull difference there. However, the 2009 levers are not supposed to work with the 7800 front derailleur, so there is probably a cable pull difference in the front. |
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"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message
]... In article , "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote: That was my point Peter. I'm trying to argue that there is a good market for quality 9-speed stuff still and perhaps that market is significantly larger than for 10 or 11 speed stuff. I think that we're all getting damned tired of the idea that more speeds equals better. Tom: 9-speed shifters don't really cost any less to make, quality being equal, than 10-speed shifters. The other parts of the system are the derailers (which also don't cost any less to make, and are agnostic about how many cogs they shift, until the creation of the new-spec D-A cable pull for 2009), and the cassette, which is a wear item. Ryan, the 10 and soon the 11 speed stuff is wearing a great deal faster than the 8-speed stuff. I was willing to go to 9-speed because a 13-27 9-speed covers just about the entire range that anyone needs in the San Francisco Bay Area. Unless you're racing you gain nothing from a 10 speed (save the small numbers that are using the 12-29 Campy 10-speed). Why install a rapid wear group? |
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"M-gineering" wrote in message
... Tom Kunich wrote: "M-gineering" wrote in message ... Tom Kunich wrote: "jim beam" wrote in message t... so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers? ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed. When did ST R600 become 105? Shimano thinks they are Ultegra level Duhhh - Sorry about that Martin, my brain apparently turned off - you say that the R600 is available in 9-speeds? Ahh, yes here it is - But a set of the levers is selling for the same thing as Ultegra - $320. |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"M-gineering" wrote in message ... Tom Kunich wrote: "M-gineering" wrote in message ... Tom Kunich wrote: "jim beam" wrote in message t... so don't buy campy! plenty of 9-s shimano available. duh. OK, where do I get new 9-speed 105 or Ultegra levers? ST R 600 are 9 speed, ST R 500 are 8 speed. When did ST R600 become 105? Shimano thinks they are Ultegra level Duhhh - Sorry about that Martin, my brain apparently turned off - you say that the R600 is available in 9-speeds? Ahh, yes here it is - But a set of the levers is selling for the same thing as Ultegra - $320. Well at last. It comes down to money... How many brifters do you wear out per year? Lou |
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"Lou Holtman" wrote in message
... Tom Kunich wrote: Duhhh - Sorry about that Martin, my brain apparently turned off - you say that the R600 is available in 9-speeds? Ahh, yes here it is - But a set of the levers is selling for the same thing as Ultegra - $320. Well at last. It comes down to money... How many brifters do you wear out per year? Tell me Lou - why would you think that a bicycle shift/brake lever should cost a consumer over $200? Have you noticed that you can get a desktop computer for that much? |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
"Lou Holtman" wrote in message ... Tom Kunich wrote: Duhhh - Sorry about that Martin, my brain apparently turned off - you say that the R600 is available in 9-speeds? Ahh, yes here it is - But a set of the levers is selling for the same thing as Ultegra - $320. Well at last. It comes down to money... How many brifters do you wear out per year? Tell me Lou - why would you think that a bicycle shift/brake lever should cost a consumer over $200? Have you noticed that you can get a desktop computer for that much? tell the rest of us tom, where did you lose sight of the dollar's free-fall and [imported] bike componentry not being cheap any more? a CN7900 chain will cost you $70. that's only 4 1/2 chains per shifter so proportionately, they're damned cheap. which leads to another point - it would seem that you don't ride much if you haven't discovered this for yourself. and if you don't ride much, what's with all this constant bleating? shouldn't you be on rec.sofas.ass-scratching? |
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