Waxed bottle cages?

Dan Overman wrote:
[...]
Anyway, I'm sort of sorry I started this goofy thread. Please by all
means feel free to let it die now.[...]

Vigorous debate is good!

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Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:02 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
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Scotchbrite? Please don't waste our time with this sort of nonsense.

JFT apparently has never used the industrial strength version of
Scotch-Brite™. [1] Yes, it can scratch metal.

I know that -- I have some pretty rough scotchbrite in my house. But
we don't have it on our bikes at any time.

On 4 dec, 04:46, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:02 -0600, Tom Sherman

wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
[...]
Scotchbrite? Please don't waste our time with this sort of nonsense.

JFT apparently has never used the industrial strength version of
Scotch-Brite™. [1] Yes, it can scratch metal.

I know that -- I have some pretty rough scotchbrite in my house. *But
we don't have it on our bikes at any time.

I use it on my brushed Ti frame to get rid of the scratches at the end
of the season. After this it looks like new. Is this nonsense?

Lou

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:23:27 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On 4 dec, 04:46, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:02 -0600, Tom Sherman

wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
[...]
Scotchbrite? Please don't waste our time with this sort of nonsense.

JFT apparently has never used the industrial strength version of
Scotch-Brite™. [1] Yes, it can scratch metal.

I know that -- I have some pretty rough scotchbrite in my house. *But
we don't have it on our bikes at any time.

I use it on my brushed Ti frame to get rid of the scratches at the end
of the season. After this it looks like new. Is this nonsense?

The nonsensical part is not that ti and steel can be rubbed off, but
that it's relevant to what bike cages do to bottles.

Bottles are not sandpaper or scrotchbrite or metal files or hacksaws.

On 4 dec, 12:56, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:23:27 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On 4 dec, 04:46, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:02 -0600, Tom Sherman

wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
[...]
Scotchbrite? Please don't waste our time with this sort of nonsense..

JFT apparently has never used the industrial strength version of
Scotch-Brite™. [1] Yes, it can scratch metal.

I know that -- I have some pretty rough scotchbrite in my house. *But
we don't have it on our bikes at any time.

I use it on my brushed Ti frame to get rid of the scratches at the end
of the season. After this it looks like new. Is this nonsense?

The nonsensical part is not that ti and steel can be rubbed off, but
that it's relevant to what bike cages do to bottles.

Bottles are not sandpaper or scrotchbrite or metal files or hacksaws.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -

- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

When riding in the rain, sand gets between the bottle and the cage.
The bottle and the cage, any cage, get scratched leaving marks and
metal particles on the bottle. That's what I meant. Ever pulled a
bottle out of the cage when riding in the rain or off road? How did it
sound?

Lou

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:32:38 -0800 (PST), wrote:

When riding in the rain, sand gets between the bottle and the cage.
The bottle and the cage, any cage, get scratched leaving marks and
metal particles on the bottle. That's what I meant. Ever pulled a
bottle out of the cage when riding in the rain or off road? How did it
sound?

Chill out and get some perspective.

Dan O wrote:
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Thanks, but those plastic button thingies make the whole assembly look
horribly inelegant compared to the classic design, IMO.

You're wrong. The buttons _are_ the classic design. Widely copied. They
are functional, they give a firmer hold on the bottle.

SMS" wrote:

Dan O wrote:

Thanks, but those plastic button thingies make the whole assembly look
horribly inelegant compared to the classic design, IMO.


You're wrong. The buttons _are_ the classic design. Widely copied. They
are functional, they give a firmer hold on the bottle.


When did that style first appear that makes them classic? I didn't notice them until more recent years, and I've been around road bikes since the early '80s. If there was a classic style, I'd say it was the handlebar bottle holders seen on a lot of old bike photos the mid-20th century.

On Dec 4, 6:23 am, SMS wrote:
Dan O wrote:

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Thanks, but those plastic button thingies make the whole assembly look
horribly inelegant compared to the classic design, IMO.

You're wrong.

Have to give you credit for being succinct and to the point :-)
Usually "IMO" buys some immunity from that kind of response, but I
understand.

The buttons _are_ the classic design.

Um, okay - if you say so. I could be wrong. I don't have extensive
experience with bottle cages in all their various forms. I guess I
was thinking of "classic" as... well, sort of as Merriam-Webster:

"1 a: serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value
classic literary works b: traditional , enduring classic designs
c: characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year
a classic suit"

In any case, the Novara 'N' logos don't say "classic" to me; they
scream, "yuppie membership sporting goods department store".

Widely copied. They
are functional, they give a firmer hold on the bottle.

They had better be functional, otherwise why would the designer dork
up their elegance with buttons like that :-)

I'm thinking of one bike in particular that I see around here. It's a
perfectly ordinary, semi-high-end Italian road bike, but for me it
just doesn't exude elegance. When reflecting on this perceived lack
of elegance I keep noticing the (yellow) plastic buttons on the bottle
cage. Could be just me. Aesthetic taste is a peculiar thing.

Come to think of it, though, those buttons would probably at least
reduce pressure of the metal rail against the plastic bottle - maybe
even keep it out of contact entirely - which could substantially
address my original complaint. Something to consider. Thanks!

Sorry if I appeared to ridicule your advice. You ridiculed the notion
that I had to save up money for stainless steel cages. and I guess
maybe I took a little offense. I'm not terribly poor, nor am I
abundantly wealthy. Upgrading bottle cages would definitely have to
be done with extra money. Every bike related purchase needs to be
well rationalized and prioritized. Last night I *did* place an order
with Performance, but I didn't get the nice SS bottles - even on sale
at $20 the pair. I wanted to, but I don't *need* them. Instead, I
cut the order off at one pair of arm warmers and one pair of toe
covers. (Mornings are getting colder.)