Something I read in the News

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:

And of course since over 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, and
because a wall is easily breached, and because there is already a border
fence, also easily breached, the usefulness of spending that money on a
wall is questionable.

The fence in Israel cost $2.9 million per mile. But it was constructed
to reduce terrorism, something that we don't have a problem with with
immigrants from Mexico. The effectiveness of the fence in Israel is
because of the enormous presence of the military along the fence.

A mile of light rail line, in existing right-of-way, is about $36
million. If we could combine the wall with a rail line from California
to Mexico it could serve two purposes.

Excuse me? We are not worried about terrorist acts. We are worried about the financial burden on a population that has no interest in become Americans but instead only want the benefits of a rich country. We are worried about diseases and criminals. We are worried that 80% of all heroin and 90% of all cocaine comes across the southern boarders.

These ARE NOT the sort of people that fly in on commercial jetliners.

Do you suppose that since it doesn't effect you it doesn't exist?

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 9:49:29 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:

And of course since over 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, and
because a wall is easily breached, and because there is already a border
fence, also easily breached, the usefulness of spending that money on a
wall is questionable.

The fence in Israel cost $2.9 million per mile. But it was constructed
to reduce terrorism, something that we don't have a problem with with
immigrants from Mexico. The effectiveness of the fence in Israel is
because of the enormous presence of the military along the fence.

A mile of light rail line, in existing right-of-way, is about $36
million. If we could combine the wall with a rail line from California
to Mexico it could serve two purposes.

Excuse me? We are not worried about terrorist acts. We are worried about the financial burden on a population that has no interest in become Americans but instead only want the benefits of a rich country. We are worried about diseases and criminals. We are worried that 80% of all heroin and 90% of all cocaine comes across the southern boarders.

These ARE NOT the sort of people that fly in on commercial jetliners.

Do you suppose that since it doesn't effect you it doesn't exist?

The last major diseases came in on airplanes, e.g. AIDS, Zika, Ebola, various flues, etc. The Saudis behind 9/11 flew in. Timothy McVeigh was born here. All the school shooters were domestic -- same with the church shooters, movie theater shooters, music festival shooters, etc., etc. What terrorists are you talking about?

Why the Trump wall is stupid according to the Libertarian Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/publications/co...wall-wont-work

We have existing fencing, and there are funds appropriated for additional fencing to prevent entry in those areas where it is actually needed. But the narcissist-in-chief needs to throw tantrums and shut down the government to get funding for his magical super-wall. He's going to saddle the country with more debt, crash the economy and then split. Then some Democrat will have to come in and fix it . . . again. Oh, now the Dow is down 180. T-bill yield is up. Damn. Hold on to your cash -- or what's left of it.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:49:27 -0800, sltom992 wrote:

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:

And of course since over 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, and
because a wall is easily breached, and because there is already a
border fence, also easily breached, the usefulness of spending that
money on a wall is questionable.

The fence in Israel cost $2.9 million per mile. But it was constructed
to reduce terrorism, something that we don't have a problem with with
immigrants from Mexico. The effectiveness of the fence in Israel is
because of the enormous presence of the military along the fence.

A mile of light rail line, in existing right-of-way, is about $36
million. If we could combine the wall with a rail line from California
to Mexico it could serve two purposes.

Excuse me? We are not worried about terrorist acts. We are worried about
the financial burden on a population that has no interest in become
Americans but instead only want the benefits of a rich country.

Where do you get that from?
It is obvious that they are prepared to come to your country and work
hard to get an income, pus they do it so cheaply, it provides foods,
goods and services cheaper for US citizens, who don't seem to be
complaining about that..

We are worried about diseases

Perhaps you should try a socialised medical system, it works very well
elsewhere.

and criminals.
As if you don't breed enough yourself.

We are worried that 80% of all
heroin and 90% of all cocaine comes across the southern boarders.

All purchased by american citizens? hmmm?

How much do you want to bet the wall will make SFA difference?
The suppliers have been tunnelling under it, flinging stuff over it and
flying stuff way over the top for decades. Soon with toy technology
they'll be flying customised delivery direct to the customers. Amazon eat
your heart out.


These ARE NOT the sort of people that fly in on commercial jetliners.

Are you sure?

On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:42:32 -0800, sltom992 wrote:



Slocum has big plans for inventing an electric aircraft.



Too late.

https://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

What do you suppose they do when the lithium ion batteries overheat and
catch fire?

open the air vents; it is cold up there.

On 2018-12-21 09:42, wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-20 08:00, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-19 16:10, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:24:01 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-19 15:11, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:54:51 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-17 18:58, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post had an article entitled "US careens towards
government shutdown". From reading the article it seems that the
President wants a 5 billion dollar budget for the Mexican Wall and
Congress doesn't want to give it to him.

5,000,000,000 divided by 1,954 miles is what? $25,588,536.33 a mile
(that may be wrong as I'm not used to working with really big numbers)
but even for the largest economy in the world that seems a tiny bit
expensive, doesn't it?


It's about $2.5M per mile which sounds cheap to me, considering all the
surveillance stuff that goes into it. Maybe you need a new calculator :-)

You missed that part where I say, "(that may be wrong as I'm not used
to working with really big numbers)"?


I didn't miss that, just couldn't believe it because AFAIK you are an
engineer and also worked on aircraft. Those are professions where some
really big numbers occur.

Yes, I did graduate from a so called "diploma mill" engineering school
and yes I did work on airplanes but the largest numbers we worked with
was gallons of gasoline in the fuel tanks which, I suppose rather
dates me as I never worked on a jet aircraft :-)


Who knows, maybe 100 years from now anyone who worked with Jet-A has to
be an old fart. My 36 year old road bike doesn't instill youth appeal
either. "Wot's a downtube shifter?"


I originally served an apprenticeship as a machinist where the biggest
numbers were in 1/1000 inch :-)


If you never worked on the electronics you might not have experienced
really large ranges. There we routinely deal with ranges in excess of 12
orders of magnitude. Though 0.001" versus the wing span can be five
orders of magnitude.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Slocum has big plans for inventing an electric aircraft.



Too late.

https://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

What do you suppose they do when the lithium ion batteries overheat and catch fire?


Pretty much the same as when a fuel line comes off and flames and plumes
of black smoke start showing up from underneath the cowling on a regular
aircraft. You either find a somewhat decent place to immediately land or
you have a parachute, are able to open the canopy or a door and manage
to leave the aircraft without hitting the stabilizers.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:22:42 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-21 09:42, wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-20 08:00, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-19 16:10, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:24:01 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-19 15:11, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:54:51 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-17 18:58, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post had an article entitled "US careens towards
government shutdown". From reading the article it seems that the
President wants a 5 billion dollar budget for the Mexican Wall and
Congress doesn't want to give it to him.

5,000,000,000 divided by 1,954 miles is what? $25,588,536.33 a mile
(that may be wrong as I'm not used to working with really big numbers)
but even for the largest economy in the world that seems a tiny bit
expensive, doesn't it?


It's about $2.5M per mile which sounds cheap to me, considering all the
surveillance stuff that goes into it. Maybe you need a new calculator :-)

You missed that part where I say, "(that may be wrong as I'm not used
to working with really big numbers)"?


I didn't miss that, just couldn't believe it because AFAIK you are an
engineer and also worked on aircraft. Those are professions where some
really big numbers occur.

Yes, I did graduate from a so called "diploma mill" engineering school
and yes I did work on airplanes but the largest numbers we worked with
was gallons of gasoline in the fuel tanks which, I suppose rather
dates me as I never worked on a jet aircraft :-)


Who knows, maybe 100 years from now anyone who worked with Jet-A has to
be an old fart. My 36 year old road bike doesn't instill youth appeal
either. "Wot's a downtube shifter?"


I originally served an apprenticeship as a machinist where the biggest
numbers were in 1/1000 inch :-)


If you never worked on the electronics you might not have experienced
really large ranges. There we routinely deal with ranges in excess of 12
orders of magnitude. Though 0.001" versus the wing span can be five
orders of magnitude.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Slocum has big plans for inventing an electric aircraft.



Too late.

https://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

What do you suppose they do when the lithium ion batteries overheat and catch fire?


Pretty much the same as when a fuel line comes off and flames and plumes
of black smoke start showing up from underneath the cowling on a regular
aircraft. You either find a somewhat decent place to immediately land or
you have a parachute, are able to open the canopy or a door and manage
to leave the aircraft without hitting the stabilizers.

In big airplanes with lots of engines the first step was to reduce
power or stop the bad engine and dive the airplane to increase
airspeed and try to blow the fire out. Been there, done that and it
worked (at least that time :-)

cheers,

John B.

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 11:27:15 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 9:49:29 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:

And of course since over 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, and
because a wall is easily breached, and because there is already a border
fence, also easily breached, the usefulness of spending that money on a
wall is questionable.

The fence in Israel cost $2.9 million per mile. But it was constructed
to reduce terrorism, something that we don't have a problem with with
immigrants from Mexico. The effectiveness of the fence in Israel is
because of the enormous presence of the military along the fence.

A mile of light rail line, in existing right-of-way, is about $36
million. If we could combine the wall with a rail line from California
to Mexico it could serve two purposes.

Excuse me? We are not worried about terrorist acts. We are worried about the financial burden on a population that has no interest in become Americans but instead only want the benefits of a rich country. We are worried about diseases and criminals. We are worried that 80% of all heroin and 90% of all cocaine comes across the southern boarders.

These ARE NOT the sort of people that fly in on commercial jetliners.

Do you suppose that since it doesn't effect you it doesn't exist?

The last major diseases came in on airplanes, e.g. AIDS, Zika, Ebola, various flues, etc. The Saudis behind 9/11 flew in. Timothy McVeigh was born here. All the school shooters were domestic -- same with the church shooters, movie theater shooters, music festival shooters, etc., etc. What terrorists are you talking about?

Why the Trump wall is stupid according to the Libertarian Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/publications/co...wall-wont-work

We have existing fencing, and there are funds appropriated for additional fencing to prevent entry in those areas where it is actually needed. But the narcissist-in-chief needs to throw tantrums and shut down the government to get funding for his magical super-wall. He's going to saddle the country with more debt, crash the economy and then split. Then some Democrat will have to come in and fix it . . . again. Oh, now the Dow is down 180. T-bill yield is up. Damn. Hold on to your cash -- or what's left of it.

-- Jay Beattie.

Where in the hell did you get that idea Jay? While AIDS MAY have gotten in partially via airlines not many of those Africans who probably brought it into this country were wealthy enough to take anything other than cattle boats. You do not seem to have a tight grip on how difficult it is to contract HIV and just how large a population is necessary to have caused the outbreak among homosexuals. The outbreak among straights was because homosexuals whose immune systems had been destroyed by AIDS which had not been identified were selling blood to blood banks to pay for their constant medical care from what should have been minor illnesses. So straights gained HIV from the straight injection of the virus directly into the blood system and since pregnant woman often were getting transfusions before birth their children were as well. While the straight population were carriers they did NOT spread this after Dr. Mullis discovered that it was HIV that caused AIDS and using his system mechanized by me, that cleaned out the blood banking systems all over the world.

Zika came in from south of the border and were spread here via a very scarce mosquito species for this country that is mainly found in California.

Ebola was brought to this country mainly by "Doctors without Borders" who were working in central and south Africa. There is a 21 day gestation period for the disease they were unaware that they had it. And most of the hospitals here weren't ready for these greatly transmissive diseases through contact with ANY human bodily fluids.

How influenzas travel is highly debatable. The "Saudi's" as you put them were terrorists and not some plan by the Saudi government.

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:15:59 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:49:27 -0800, sltom992 wrote:

On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 7:41:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:

And of course since over 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by plane, and
because a wall is easily breached, and because there is already a
border fence, also easily breached, the usefulness of spending that
money on a wall is questionable.

The fence in Israel cost $2.9 million per mile. But it was constructed
to reduce terrorism, something that we don't have a problem with with
immigrants from Mexico. The effectiveness of the fence in Israel is
because of the enormous presence of the military along the fence.

A mile of light rail line, in existing right-of-way, is about $36
million. If we could combine the wall with a rail line from California
to Mexico it could serve two purposes.

Excuse me? We are not worried about terrorist acts. We are worried about
the financial burden on a population that has no interest in become
Americans but instead only want the benefits of a rich country.

Where do you get that from?
It is obvious that they are prepared to come to your country and work
hard to get an income, pus they do it so cheaply, it provides foods,
goods and services cheaper for US citizens, who don't seem to be
complaining about that..

We are worried about diseases

Perhaps you should try a socialised medical system, it works very well
elsewhere.

and criminals.
As if you don't breed enough yourself.

We are worried that 80% of all
heroin and 90% of all cocaine comes across the southern boarders.

All purchased by american citizens? hmmm?

How much do you want to bet the wall will make SFA difference?
The suppliers have been tunnelling under it, flinging stuff over it and
flying stuff way over the top for decades. Soon with toy technology
they'll be flying customised delivery direct to the customers. Amazon eat
your heart out.


These ARE NOT the sort of people that fly in on commercial jetliners.

Are you sure?

I don't know where you're getting that from. Most of the central American illegals will NEVER be able to support themselves even in the best of times. They are almost totally uneducated - most of them cannot read nor write. Of course governor Brown can give them a driver's license even though they don't know what a speed limit sign says and government departments will give them total social support and medical insurance and buy them a car to get around in.

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 7:22:34 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-21 09:42, wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-20 08:00, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-19 16:10, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:24:01 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-19 15:11, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:54:51 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-17 18:58, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post had an article entitled "US careens towards
government shutdown". From reading the article it seems that the
President wants a 5 billion dollar budget for the Mexican Wall and
Congress doesn't want to give it to him.

5,000,000,000 divided by 1,954 miles is what? $25,588,536.33 a mile
(that may be wrong as I'm not used to working with really big numbers)
but even for the largest economy in the world that seems a tiny bit
expensive, doesn't it?


It's about $2.5M per mile which sounds cheap to me, considering all the
surveillance stuff that goes into it. Maybe you need a new calculator :-)

You missed that part where I say, "(that may be wrong as I'm not used
to working with really big numbers)"?


I didn't miss that, just couldn't believe it because AFAIK you are an
engineer and also worked on aircraft. Those are professions where some
really big numbers occur.

Yes, I did graduate from a so called "diploma mill" engineering school
and yes I did work on airplanes but the largest numbers we worked with
was gallons of gasoline in the fuel tanks which, I suppose rather
dates me as I never worked on a jet aircraft :-)


Who knows, maybe 100 years from now anyone who worked with Jet-A has to
be an old fart. My 36 year old road bike doesn't instill youth appeal
either. "Wot's a downtube shifter?"


I originally served an apprenticeship as a machinist where the biggest
numbers were in 1/1000 inch :-)


If you never worked on the electronics you might not have experienced
really large ranges. There we routinely deal with ranges in excess of 12
orders of magnitude. Though 0.001" versus the wing span can be five
orders of magnitude.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Slocum has big plans for inventing an electric aircraft.



Too late.

https://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

What do you suppose they do when the lithium ion batteries overheat and catch fire?


Pretty much the same as when a fuel line comes off and flames and plumes
of black smoke start showing up from underneath the cowling on a regular
aircraft. You either find a somewhat decent place to immediately land or
you have a parachute, are able to open the canopy or a door and manage
to leave the aircraft without hitting the stabilizers.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
What percentage of aircraft have fuel engine failures vs. the number of lithium Ion battery failures? So many of these have occurred that you'd think that the government would step in. But the media doesn't even report the vast majority of them. There were aircraft ground fires that I explain to them how and why they sere occurring and they did take actions. But I'm not sure that they are watching that closely enough.

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 07:22:42 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-21 09:42, wrote:
On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-20 08:00, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:29:02 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-12-19 16:10, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 15:24:01 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-19 15:11, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:54:51 -0800, Joerg
wrote:

On 2018-12-17 18:58, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post had an article entitled "US careens towards
government shutdown". From reading the article it seems that the
President wants a 5 billion dollar budget for the Mexican Wall and
Congress doesn't want to give it to him.

5,000,000,000 divided by 1,954 miles is what? $25,588,536.33 a mile
(that may be wrong as I'm not used to working with really big numbers)
but even for the largest economy in the world that seems a tiny bit
expensive, doesn't it?


It's about $2.5M per mile which sounds cheap to me, considering all the
surveillance stuff that goes into it. Maybe you need a new calculator :-)

You missed that part where I say, "(that may be wrong as I'm not used
to working with really big numbers)"?


I didn't miss that, just couldn't believe it because AFAIK you are an
engineer and also worked on aircraft. Those are professions where some
really big numbers occur.

Yes, I did graduate from a so called "diploma mill" engineering school
and yes I did work on airplanes but the largest numbers we worked with
was gallons of gasoline in the fuel tanks which, I suppose rather
dates me as I never worked on a jet aircraft :-)


Who knows, maybe 100 years from now anyone who worked with Jet-A has to
be an old fart. My 36 year old road bike doesn't instill youth appeal
either. "Wot's a downtube shifter?"


I originally served an apprenticeship as a machinist where the biggest
numbers were in 1/1000 inch :-)


If you never worked on the electronics you might not have experienced
really large ranges. There we routinely deal with ranges in excess of 12
orders of magnitude. Though 0.001" versus the wing span can be five
orders of magnitude.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Slocum has big plans for inventing an electric aircraft.



Too late.

https://www.pipistrel.si/plane/alpha-electro/overview

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

What do you suppose they do when the lithium ion batteries overheat and catch fire?


Pretty much the same as when a fuel line comes off and flames and plumes
of black smoke start showing up from underneath the cowling on a regular
aircraft. You either find a somewhat decent place to immediately land or
you have a parachute, are able to open the canopy or a door and manage
to leave the aircraft without hitting the stabilizers.

In big airplanes with lots of engines the first step was to reduce
power or stop the bad engine and dive the airplane to increase
airspeed and try to blow the fire out. Been there, done that and it
worked (at least that time :-)

cheers,

John B.

In commercial airliners, the battery bank is located in the nose directly beneath the wiring harness for all of the cockpit instrumentation.

Lithium Ion batteries can only be charged at their maximum rate between 1/4 and 3/4 of full charge. On either side of those lines you have to severely limit the rates of charge to not overheat the batteries.

Foreign airline companies would NOT rent ground power units during layovers and so the cleanup crews would be using the batteries to power the lights and cleanup equipment all during this time. The smaller the clean-up crews the longer it would take.

So after the engines were started the original chargers would run the recharge at maximum rates until the battery reached full charge. This left a serious source of a battery fire and that fire would burn out all of the control and communications lines. This is what probably occurred to that aircraft that disappeared. Those Boeings would fly themselves and it probably first killed the pilot and copilot with carbon monoxide. Since their are locked into a break-in proof cabin no one could get in. Then the burning batteries would go though the forward bulkhead and into the luggage compartment and the remainder of the passengers would be killed by fire or carbon monoxide.. The aircraft would respond to the weather conditions but more or less simply fly itself until it ran out of fuel and glided in and crashed into the ocean. The radar track of that aircraft looked like that was the case.