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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge
wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? BULL****. Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Apr 12, 10:56*am, Harry Brogan
wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? *BULL****. *Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. *Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. *Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. *If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. *I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. It says 10 hours A WEEK, doesn't it? The guy in the article though... When I heard about Simonetti's commute—some 50-odd road miles as Google Maps flies—I was vaguely stupefied. It may or may not be the longest bike commute in America... Note he does it TWICE A WEEK! |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
"Harry Brogan" wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? BULL****. Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. a week "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:56 -0400, "ATP"
wrote: "Harry Brogan" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? BULL****. Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. a week "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." My mistake. I did misread it. With that said, if you are having all of those problems being in "combat" perhaps you are better off taking some form of public transportation. Seems that ALL of those delivery riders do it on a day to day basis. And I am sure that they have their problems. But, if it's as bad as YOU say it is, businesses like that wouldn't last long.... |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Apr 12, 6:33*pm, Harry Brogan
wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:56 -0400, "ATP" wrote: "Harry Brogan" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? *BULL****. *Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. *Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. *Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. *If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. *I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. a week "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." My mistake. *I did misread it. With that said, if you are having all of those problems being in "combat" perhaps you are better off taking some form of public transportation. Seems that ALL of those delivery riders do it on a day to day basis. And I am sure that they have their problems. *But, if it's as bad as YOU say it is, businesses like that *wouldn't last long.... Those are personal accounts from the magazine. I think you have to subscribe to read it but it's a great article. Here are a couple of comments that I subscribe to: "Overtaking crashes are quite rare (8.6% of crashes). And riding to the right will not prevent them -- many of those 8.6% occurred on shoulders and bike lanes. Taking the lane works. It's not moral -- it's fact." (I do support TAKING THE LANE all the time. There's only one way to go and that's over my dead body.) "Great article! Although he hints at it (drivers think cyclists are 'losers' and are glad to not be one of them), Vanderbilt does not recognize the class issues that affect some motorist-cyclist relations. Although perhaps less pronounced amongst spandex-clad roadies on carbon bikes, those who bike because they have no other option (especially in public transportation-challenged cities like Los Angeles, where I live) must also bear the brunt of drivers who think of themselves as superior." (I said that before. Elite cyclists often behave aggressive and give the rest a bad reputation. "The rest" also is also the "mundane" or commuter cyclist.) |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
These are personal accounts from the magazine. I think you have to
subscribe to read it but it's a great article. Here are a couple of comments that I subscribe to: "Overtaking crashes are quite rare (8.6% of crashes). And riding to the right will not prevent them -- many of those 8.6% occurred on shoulders and bike lanes. Taking the lane works. It's not moral -- it's fact." (I do support TAKING THE LANE all the time. There's only one way to go and that's over my dead body.) "Great article! Although he hints at it (drivers think cyclists are 'losers' and are glad to not be one of them), Vanderbilt does not recognize the class issues that affect some motorist-cyclist relations. Although perhaps less pronounced amongst spandex-clad roadies on carbon bikes, those who bike because they have no other option (especially in public transportation-challenged cities like Los Angeles, where I live) must also bear the brunt of drivers who think of themselves as superior." (I said that before. Elite cyclists often behave aggressive and give the rest a bad reputation. "The rest" also is also the "mundane" or commuter cyclist.) |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
"Harry Brogan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:56 -0400, "ATP" wrote: "Harry Brogan" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? BULL****. Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. a week "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." My mistake. I did misread it. With that said, if you are having all of those problems being in "combat" perhaps you are better off taking some form of public transportation. Seems that ALL of those delivery riders do it on a day to day basis. And I am sure that they have their problems. But, if it's as bad as YOU say it is, businesses like that wouldn't last long.... I just joined the thread. I'm not sure how bad it is, but those businesses can keep on going as long as there are young men willing to be messengers. |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Apr 13, 7:05*am, "ATP" wrote:
"Harry Brogan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:56 -0400, "ATP" wrote: "Harry Brogan" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:24:52 -0400, Forrest Hodge wrote: On 4/11/2011 2:39 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote: Outside Magazine has run this article of "Rage Against Your Machine," where cycling in N.Y. is seen as a very dangerous activity, and comments from California and Miami confirm that. Here's comment from California: "Having been the victim of two careless drivers... I still bike and the rage remains." "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." And I can confirm the same from Miami. Then the triangle is formed. Notice how Key West falls outside the triangle and and so does Portland and San Diego, which I hear has many bike lanes. Texas, on the other hand, falls in the triangle and many bad things are heard from there. Don't call me superstitious just wise, Wise TibetanMonkey. TEN hours a DAY commuting?? *BULL****. *Your numbers simply would NOT add up for an average work day. *Figure that if you commute for TEN hours and work for EIGHT that's eighteen hours. *Then if you add in simple things, like EATING, SHOWERING and going to the bathroom you are NOT getting any sleep. *If you add in just ONE hour a day for each of those you are at 21 hours total for EACH day. *I don't know of anyone that's going to last long on THREE hours of rest for very long.. Therefore you TEN hour-a-day commute is complete BULL****. a week "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." My mistake. *I did misread it. With that said, if you are having all of those problems being in "combat" perhaps you are better off taking some form of public transportation. Seems that ALL of those delivery riders do it on a day to day basis. And I am sure that they have their problems. *But, if it's as bad as YOU say it is, businesses like that *wouldn't last long.... I just joined the thread. I'm not sure how bad it is, but those businesses can keep on going as long as there are young men willing to be messengers.. The guy in the story is not a messenger. He's professional therapist or something. You can still talk about messengers though. |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
I'm scanning through the article and find the first three issues:
1- Reckless driving, 2- Hit & Run, 3- Indifferent police/judicial system... SOMEWHERE SOUTH of Pelham, Simonetti tells me of a crash last summer, in the Bronx, that left him with a broken collarbone. It was a "right hook," one of the most common crash types for cyclists: a driver, traveling in Simonetti's lane ahead of him, suddenly turned right— without signaling—directly into Simonetti's path. An ambulance responded quickly, but the police did not. The paramedics told Simonetti the police would deal with the driver when they arrived, he says. "But the guy left. I don't blame him." When the police, investigating what was now a hit-and-run, came to the hospital, they asked him if he'd gotten the license-plate number. "I was laid out on the ground," he laughs. The driver was never found. |
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The Bermuda Triangle of Cycling: L.A. to N.Y. to Miami
On Apr 15, 10:22 am, Jym Dyer wrote:
_Outside_magazine_ allegedly writes: | "I've ridden to work in Manhattan everyday for six years... | It's ten hours a week of combat commuting at its purest." Forrest Hodge replies: Ten hours a week in commuting? Wouldn't the subway be faster and arguably less dangerous? =v= Years of grassroots activism has transformed Manhattan into a fantastic (and, statistically, very safe) place to bike. I feel sorry for the person quoted in _Outside_, constrained only by a fearful mind, assuming that he/she actually exists. =v= There are outer parts of the five boros where the subway doen't reach, not to mention New Jersey. Some of these areas have wider roads and more speeding, reckless motorists than you'll find in Manhattan. Still, any 1-hour commute there is going to include some awesome bike routes. _Jym_ Read the comments from *all over the nation* before denying everything. What is this, false too? "Last September, in Maryland, Natasha Pettigrew, a Green Party candidate for U.S. Senate, was training at dawn for a triathlon when she was fatally struck by a Cadillac Escalade. No charges have yet been filed against the driver, who said that she thought she'd hit an animal until she got home and found Pettigrew's bike lodged under her car. In Florida, the country's deadliest state for cyclists—119 deaths in 2007, ten more than California despite having half the population— two riders participating in last year's annual Memorial Day ride were stabbed by a driver after words were exchanged on the road." |
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