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On 9/20/2020 3:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/19/2020 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 9/19/2020 8:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: I meant to include a link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/u...-arrested.html Right I'm familiar. Meanwhile, same story different players: https://www.illinoispolicy.org/feds-...-bribery-case/ You call that a scandal? Implicated and subpoenaed and cooperating with the investigation? That's chicken feed. Our guy got arrested by the FBI. _That's_ a real scandal! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 9/20/2020 7:38 PM, Steve Weeks wrote:
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) Good catch. You're right! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 9/20/2020 9:08 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. Deserve fits better. But even that is tricky. Practically speaking, it's not unusual to have to choose between two much-less-than-ideal candidates. And it's not unusual to have people of better motivations find it's not so easy to run things well. On a very tiny local level, I recall a time in this little suburban village when the six members of Village Council really had people disgusted with their incompetence and infighting. A group of four neighbors, all smart guys, decided to run as a team. They promised to take control and run things using good sense. They campaigned and won and lasted maybe two years. I think they learned that governing is hard. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. Desire is a bit strong, but some might claim that deserve would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ...." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:35:38 +0700, John B. wrote:
Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? Yep, it just depends on who they make that promse to and if those people pony up enough donations for te election advertising. |
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On 9/21/2020 12:35 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. Desire is a bit strong, but some might claim that deserve would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ..." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? There is ample precedent: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8a/e1/a...cf79bd7a51.jpg -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/21/2020 12:35 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ..." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? There is ample precedent: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8a/e1/a...cf79bd7a51.jpg Career politician! The guy never worked in private industry -- one government job after another. Drain the swamp! -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 9/21/2020 9:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/21/2020 12:35 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ..." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? There is ample precedent: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8a/e1/a...cf79bd7a51.jpg Career politician! The guy never worked in private industry -- one government job after another. Drain the swamp! -- Jay Beattie. Mostly yes although he was a war correspondent in S.A, captured by the Boers and successfully escaped a POW camp. Then again he held many conflicting positions over time in both parties. And Gallipoli... -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/21/2020 12:35 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ..." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? There is ample precedent: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8a/e1/a...cf79bd7a51.jpg Career politician! The guy never worked in private industry -- one government job after another. Drain the swamp! -- Jay Beattie. Yeah, I love how “career politician” is an insult. Strange how nobody ever applies the same criteria to brain surgeons or lawyers or bike mechanics. |
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On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 7:54:45 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
jbeattie wrote: On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 9/21/2020 12:35 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:08:46 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 9/20/2020 8:26 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Steve Weeks wrote: On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote: Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all legislators are not evil. I agree with the sentiment. If I may tweak your syllogism a bit, I think you meant: "Not all legislators are evil." :-) But, but, but. You all elected them. Or rather a majority of you all elected them. An impartial observer might tend to believe that you have the elected officials that you, or at least the majority of you all, desire. “Desire” is a bit strong, but some might claim that “deserve” would work in that sentence. I'm not sure, although I am familiar with the quotations of Joseph de Maistre, but I'm not certain that it accurately describes the scenario, although certainly if one elects the individual that is desired one could be said to deserve any and all results there of. However I much prefer the following and earlier quote, "False opinions are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing." as it so aptly describes modern society. I was reminded of Baltimore's Best. Mr Mencken: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179 "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." But offering the electorate something for their vote is essentially the basis of the democratic system... "Vote for me and I will give you ..." Or do you really believe that a candidate that promises to, "Reduce minimum wages to make our industry more competitive in the world market", or, perhaps, promises to "increase taxes in order to pay down the national debt", could be elected? There is ample precedent: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8a/e1/a...cf79bd7a51.jpg Career politician! The guy never worked in private industry -- one government job after another. Drain the swamp! -- Jay Beattie. Yeah, I love how “career politician” is an insult. Strange how nobody ever applies the same criteria to brain surgeons or lawyers or bike mechanics. How successful do you believe a brain surgeon with a history like Biden's would be? He has spent his life in politics and has held the wrong position on absolutely everything. Do you suppose your bike mechanic would have any patrons with such a record? |
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