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Old August 20th 18, 08:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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An interesting and (up to a point[1]) very good attempt at a folding
cargo bike. Owner was German and happy up to the point the headlight
failed[1], pointed out it was a very new/recent bike, but was otherwise
happy. Electric assist as well.

I was on said tram[1] and I pointed out my Larry vs Harry would not have
fitted! The folding sides were really a bloody good idea

https://muli-cycles.de/en/


[1] The very expensive SON dynamo had shat it's pants and barfed its'
leads all over the steering assembly.
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Old August 21st 18, 07:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:50:38 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

An interesting and (up to a point[1]) very good attempt at a folding
cargo bike. Owner was German and happy up to the point the headlight
failed[1], pointed out it was a very new/recent bike, but was otherwise
happy. Electric assist as well.

I was on said tram[1] and I pointed out my Larry vs Harry would not have
fitted! The folding sides were really a bloody good idea

https://muli-cycles.de/en/


[1] The very expensive SON dynamo had shat it's pants and barfed its'
leads all over the steering assembly.


Yes but with the Larry vs Harry everyone always comments on the length
leaving many opportunities for "Kızları hep öyle diyor!" humour.

I never thought about putting it on a tram. But I would say the length is
more of a problem than the width. Fun outweighs all of that though.

Silly question. What brakes have you got on yours and can you get enough
oomph out of them to lock up the back wheel?
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Old August 21st 18, 09:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:50:38 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

An interesting and (up to a point[1]) very good attempt at a folding
cargo bike. Owner was German and happy up to the point the headlight
failed[1], pointed out it was a very new/recent bike, but was otherwise
happy. Electric assist as well.

I was on said tram[1] and I pointed out my Larry vs Harry would not have
fitted! The folding sides were really a bloody good idea

https://muli-cycles.de/en/


[1] The very expensive SON dynamo had shat it's pants and barfed its'
leads all over the steering assembly.


Yes but with the Larry vs Harry everyone always comments on the length
leaving many opportunities for "Kızları hep öyle diyor!" humour.

I never thought about putting it on a tram. But I would say the length is
more of a problem than the width. Fun outweighs all of that though.

Silly question. What brakes have you got on yours and can you get enough
oomph out of them to lock up the back wheel?



Now here is a story...

I replaced the shonky Shimano somethings with Magura 5 4-pots, now I
have to admit I was under whelmed[1] and the finger of suspicion pointed
at the cream cheese organic pads. A week later, a set of Noah and Theo
fully sintered wellard pads arrive. Now those familiar with fully
sintered pads know that to bed them in, you get up to 25-30kph, and
brake hard for about a dozen runs. Remember we are talking a Larry vs
Harry Bullitt...

So, after a few runs, the brakes were beginning to bite, but the Doctors
reckoned my aneurysm/hernia was at exploding point, so I gave up on the
practice until Friday. Now, my local is about 7km away, and up hill on
about a 2-3% slope. "Aha!", thinks I, "I'll ride it to the boozer, have
a couple, and on the run back sort those bloody pads out!"

A few 2-fingered squeezes of the rear were enough to stop the rear wheel
going round. "Hmmm...", thinks I, "I wonder if you can stop the front
wheel?". Yes, you can, a few attempts and the front wheel stops. No
big drama.

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph, a
double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm sorry
to report, the rider didn't...


[1] Now you can't be under whelmed any more than you can be over
whelmed, but suffice it to say, I was extremely whelmed.

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Old August 24th 18, 08:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:50:38 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

An interesting and (up to a point[1]) very good attempt at a folding
cargo bike. Owner was German and happy up to the point the headlight
failed[1], pointed out it was a very new/recent bike, but was
otherwise happy. Electric assist as well.

I was on said tram[1] and I pointed out my Larry vs Harry would not
have fitted! The folding sides were really a bloody good idea

https://muli-cycles.de/en/


[1] The very expensive SON dynamo had shat it's pants and barfed its'
leads all over the steering assembly.


Yes but with the Larry vs Harry everyone always comments on the length
leaving many opportunities for "Kızları hep öyle diyor!" humour.

I never thought about putting it on a tram. But I would say the length
is more of a problem than the width. Fun outweighs all of that though.


Silly question. What brakes have you got on yours and can you get
enough oomph out of them to lock up the back wheel?



Now here is a story...

I replaced the shonky Shimano somethings with Magura 5 4-pots, now I
have to admit I was under whelmed[1] and the finger of suspicion pointed
at the cream cheese organic pads. A week later, a set of Noah and Theo
fully sintered wellard pads arrive. Now those familiar with fully
sintered pads know that to bed them in, you get up to 25-30kph, and
brake hard for about a dozen runs. Remember we are talking a Larry vs
Harry Bullitt...

So, after a few runs, the brakes were beginning to bite, but the Doctors
reckoned my aneurysm/hernia was at exploding point, so I gave up on the
practice until Friday. Now, my local is about 7km away, and up hill on
about a 2-3% slope. "Aha!", thinks I, "I'll ride it to the boozer, have
a couple, and on the run back sort those bloody pads out!"

A few 2-fingered squeezes of the rear were enough to stop the rear wheel
going round. "Hmmm...", thinks I, "I wonder if you can stop the front
wheel?". Yes, you can, a few attempts and the front wheel stops. No
big drama.

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph, a
double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm sorry
to report, the rider didn't...


[1] Now you can't be under whelmed any more than you can be over
whelmed, but suffice it to say, I was extremely whelmed.


Bwahhh ha ha haaaa! Awesome. The trip back from the pub is always harder
than the trip there. They do stop an a dime though even with the Alfine
standard brakes. Can't lock the back for love nor money though.

I made a fascinating discovery once returning from the pub through the
park. 36°53'01.6"N 30°40'12.1"E A lovely path. Dual carriageway. The
local government even built a cat sanctuary there. 100s of cats for
cuddling. I had been through it thousands of times before the fateful
late night discovery. Picture the scene. It's dark. Very dark under the
tree cover and the street lights are not working. The usual late night
denizens of the park are about their nefarious business. The cats are of
course all over the damned place. But this is not a problem as I have a
shed load of lighting. As I was coming down the steepish hill towards sea
level I saw a batch of cats in the centre of the road. So being a careful
sort I thought I would give them a wide berth and pulled towards the
grass. It was then that I made my discovery. They had put a beautiful u
shaped drainage gulley between the road and the grass level with the
pavement. It's amazing quite how far a Bullit will slide on its side
panels.

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Old August 25th 18, 10:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:


snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms.
I'm sorry to report, the rider didn't...


snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road
and the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a
Bullit will slide on its side panels.


Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?
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Old August 27th 18, 04:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:12 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:


snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm
sorry to report, the rider didn't...


snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road and
the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a Bullit
will slide on its side panels.


Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?


Side panel and that was about it. End of the pedal was a bit scraped but
they do slide in a fairly non self destructing fashion. A normal bike
would have flipped bounced and ****ed up all kinds of ****.

Oh also if you unfortunately get the front sandwiched between a Mercedes
Vito side panel and a Renault Clio front wing the frame is actually
entertainingly stronger than either.












Which is nice.

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Old August 27th 18, 07:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 8/27/2018 11:02 AM, dave wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:12 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:


snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm
sorry to report, the rider didn't...


snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road and
the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a Bullit
will slide on its side panels.


Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?


Side panel and that was about it. End of the pedal was a bit scraped but
they do slide in a fairly non self destructing fashion. A normal bike
would have flipped bounced and ****ed up all kinds of ****.

Oh also if you unfortunately get the front sandwiched between a Mercedes
Vito side panel and a Renault Clio front wing the frame is actually
entertainingly stronger than either.


I forget what your machine is. Which is it? And what does it weigh? Got
a photo?


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Old August 27th 18, 08:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 08/27/2018 05:02 PM, dave wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:12 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:


snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm
sorry to report, the rider didn't...


snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road and
the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a Bullit
will slide on its side panels.


Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?


Side panel and that was about it. End of the pedal was a bit scraped but
they do slide in a fairly non self destructing fashion. A normal bike
would have flipped bounced and ****ed up all kinds of ****.

Oh also if you unfortunately get the front sandwiched between a Mercedes
Vito side panel and a Renault Clio front wing the frame is actually
entertainingly stronger than either.


ROFLMAO! I do believe I've just wet myself :-)

We need more details...
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Old August 29th 18, 03:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:11:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 8/27/2018 11:02 AM, dave wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:12 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:

snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm
sorry to report, the rider didn't...

snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road
and the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a
Bullit will slide on its side panels.

Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?


Side panel and that was about it. End of the pedal was a bit scraped
but they do slide in a fairly non self destructing fashion. A normal
bike would have flipped bounced and ****ed up all kinds of ****.

Oh also if you unfortunately get the front sandwiched between a
Mercedes Vito side panel and a Renault Clio front wing the frame is
actually entertainingly stronger than either.


I forget what your machine is. Which is it? And what does it weigh? Got
a photo?


Larry Vs Harry Bullit. Bluebird 71.

Looks like this

https://www.flickr.com/photos/915638...in/dateposted-
public/

Weighs in at about 40kg. Folding kid seat is a weighty lump but it's
comfy for even my butt.

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Old August 29th 18, 03:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:27:07 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/27/2018 05:02 PM, dave wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:00:12 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/24/2018 09:23 AM, dave wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:27:21 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

On 08/21/2018 08:32 AM, dave wrote:

snip

"I wonder how quickly it will stop on both brakes?". About 30 kph,
a double handful and the bike stops dead, I mean in about 30cms. I'm
sorry to report, the rider didn't...

snip

They had put a beautiful u shaped drainage gulley between the road
and the grass level with the pavement. It's amazing quite how far a
Bullit will slide on its side panels.

Ouch. I take it the box took all the damage?


Side panel and that was about it. End of the pedal was a bit scraped
but they do slide in a fairly non self destructing fashion. A normal
bike would have flipped bounced and ****ed up all kinds of ****.

Oh also if you unfortunately get the front sandwiched between a
Mercedes Vito side panel and a Renault Clio front wing the frame is
actually entertainingly stronger than either.


ROFLMAO! I do believe I've just wet myself :-)

We need more details...


Standard right hook scenario only not a junction. Mercedes tourist
transporter decided he needed fags or something from the newsagents.

He


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While he was half way past me immediately turned right to park and
squashed the front part of my frame between his Merc Vito van thing and a
Renault Clio. Hyyyyyuuuuge scraped dent down the side of the Merc and the
Renault wing was folded in a good three inches at the wheel well.

So. Merc driver, exceedingly put out by my unexpected presence in the
area he was trying to enter without looking, departed the van and
proceeded to threaten me with violence. As motorists often do. After
putting up with the standard fare of him offering to procreate with my
mother etc. for a while I called the cops.

So. The cops come and look at all the damage and examine the bike. So
where did he hit you? I said that bit there with the black paint on it on
the left and the silver paint on the right was from the Renault (Who F*ed
off at the mention of cops. Cool plan dude. Cool plan.)

The cops then asked me why I wasn't on the bike path. Bike path? I asked.
Over there. (Points at pavement.) That's not a bike path and it's full of
pedestrians. Cop's not amused. Foreigners immune to his god like powers
of copdom are not usual. I asked him exactly which law says bikes have to
be on the pavement. He had no idea at all.(Probably because there isn't
one) So he starts getting a bit irate with me and threatening tickets.

So in the end, he gathers the Merc driver up and tells him off (It was a
good job he did, too.) as it is technically his fault. Gives me a choice
of him prosecuting the driver and he will write me a ticket for not
riding on the pavement or we all sign a won't sue the other dude document
and let it go there. No damage to my bike other than a ding in the side
panel and a bit of paint which buffed out nicely. Merc would definitely
have needed a new door skin. So document was signed and home I went. Bit
shaky from adrenaline and threats of death from the dude and fines from
the cops.

Not a great day overall but no one was injured or died. As they say worse
things happen at sea.
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