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Old May 23rd 18, 01:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017

[2] It says 35-622 on the page but a guy in a shop
told me it had 47-622 when he showed me the bike.
The tires looked possibly 44-622 to me but I can't
always tell without looking.


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Old May 23rd 18, 03:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?


Careful, "one" (cough) or the other brand might just be selling "trekking"
frames with extra bent metal tubes to call them randonneur bikes.

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


A realistic question is if the common 42 width is sufficient or if the bike
really fits 47 (labeled) tires plus fenders.

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Comfort geometry? Well, most apes do have short legs and long arms.
https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/de/pdfs/pdf_vsf/testberichte/2016_01_radtouren_vsf_fahrradmanufaktur_tx_randonn eur_6.pdf


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Old May 23rd 18, 07:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/23/2018 5:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S..
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Old May 23rd 18, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:28:54 AM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me randonneur means something very special and specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling, 200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you linked would be used on round the world tours carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do a simple search for loaded touring bikes.
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Old May 23rd 18, 09:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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"
writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are
sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me
randonneur means something very special and
specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling,
200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry
minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE
uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for
randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest
Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will
not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you
linked would be used on round the world tours
carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent
piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded
touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do
a simple search for loaded touring bikes.


The bike has the word "randonneur" in it's designation
which is French and translates to long distance.

The bike, if I could afford it, would be packed with
some 10-12 kg of dry bags with a Trangia, a sleeping
mat, a sleeping bag, a tent, toilet stuff, some books,
maps, and tools, and a couple of other things.

What is the difference between touring and
randonneuring? Touring is shorter? How/why would this
impact the bike? I say the bike in the URL could be
used for touring as well, and actually most everyday
biking, and why not?

It is just a solid steel frame with fenders, lots of
gears, some comfort to the geometry and tires, and
racks to hang luggage onto. Unpacked, most people in
the city wouldn't notice anything special about it.

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Old May 23rd 18, 09:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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sms writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.


Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll
put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next
summer. Or the summer after that...

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the
U.S..


Really? Why not?

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Old May 23rd 18, 09:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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Sepp Ruf writes:

A realistic question is if the common 42 width is
sufficient or if the bike really fits 47 (labeled)
tires plus fenders.


Do they say that anywhere on the page?

I only heard the guy say it ("47") in the shop (tho
the tires didn't look that wide), on the home page,
what I can see, it says


Schwalbe Marathon Racer, 35-622, reflex


35 on a touring/randonneur bike?

I have 32-630 on my road bike and my intuition tells
me 35 is too small as well, probably 42 at a very
minimum!

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Old May 23rd 18, 10:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 22:23:46 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

"
writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are
sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me
randonneur means something very special and
specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling,
200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry
minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE
uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for
randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest
Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will
not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you
linked would be used on round the world tours
carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent
piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded
touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do
a simple search for loaded touring bikes.


The bike has the word "randonneur" in it's designation
which is French and translates to long distance.

The bike, if I could afford it, would be packed with
some 10-12 kg of dry bags with a Trangia, a sleeping
mat, a sleeping bag, a tent, toilet stuff, some books,
maps, and tools, and a couple of other things.

What is the difference between touring and
randonneuring? Touring is shorter? How/why would this
impact the bike? I say the bike in the URL could be
used for touring as well, and actually most everyday
biking, and why not?

It is just a solid steel frame with fenders, lots of
gears, some comfort to the geometry and tires, and
racks to hang luggage onto. Unpacked, most people in
the city wouldn't notice anything special about it.


I think that you are getting all tangled up in definitions. Try the
Blayley's site. I think in one description The Fixie Pixie (the female
member of the team) describes a Brevet Bike (what you are calling a
Randonneuring Bike) as "reliable and comfortable has enough storage
capacity that you can carry what you need for the distance and
conditions (including clothes and tools) and/or store what you no
longer need, and since the longer brevets require lights and usually
involve sustained night riding, a bike used for longer brevets should
have reliable long-lasting lights". Which might equally well describe
a long distance touring bike :-)
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Old May 23rd 18, 10:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 22:23:46 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

"
writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are
sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me
randonneur means something very special and
specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling,
200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry
minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE
uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for
randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest
Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will
not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you
linked would be used on round the world tours
carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent
piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded
touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do
a simple search for loaded touring bikes.


The bike has the word "randonneur" in it's designation
which is French and translates to long distance.

The bike, if I could afford it, would be packed with
some 10-12 kg of dry bags with a Trangia, a sleeping
mat, a sleeping bag, a tent, toilet stuff, some books,
maps, and tools, and a couple of other things.

What is the difference between touring and
randonneuring? Touring is shorter? How/why would this
impact the bike? I say the bike in the URL could be
used for touring as well, and actually most everyday
biking, and why not?

It is just a solid steel frame with fenders, lots of
gears, some comfort to the geometry and tires, and
racks to hang luggage onto. Unpacked, most people in
the city wouldn't notice anything special about it.


To add to my previous post, you might want to look at a Race across
America as the ultimate long distance bike - some 3,000 miles (4,800
Km. as fast as you can make it - yet it probably doesn't fit the
randonneuring description very well.
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Old May 24th 18, 12:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 1:23:48 PM UTC-7, Emanuel Berg wrote:
"
writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are
sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me
randonneur means something very special and
specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling,
200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry
minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE
uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for
randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest
Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will
not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you
linked would be used on round the world tours
carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent
piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded
touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do
a simple search for loaded touring bikes.


The bike has the word "randonneur" in it's designation
which is French and translates to long distance.

The bike, if I could afford it, would be packed with
some 10-12 kg of dry bags with a Trangia, a sleeping
mat, a sleeping bag, a tent, toilet stuff, some books,
maps, and tools, and a couple of other things.

What is the difference between touring and
randonneuring? Touring is shorter? How/why would this
impact the bike? I say the bike in the URL could be
used for touring as well, and actually most everyday
biking, and why not?

It is just a solid steel frame with fenders, lots of
gears, some comfort to the geometry and tires, and
racks to hang luggage onto. Unpacked, most people in
the city wouldn't notice anything special about it.


There are zillions of worthy touring bikes. Half the Soma range fits the bills, and for complete bikes, you can get uber adventure bikes from mundane places like REI. https://tinyurl.com/yat8eze6 Or a touring bike from Trek, Cannondale, Fuji and on and on. Go to Performance and get a dopey retro Fuji touring bike. https://www.performancebike.com/shop...e-2018-31-8654 9sp bar-end shifters will last forever, and if the frame breaks in the middle of nowhere, the local chieftains can weld it back together because they all have MIG kits in their huts. Even cheaper at Nashbar. https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/...ing-bike-nb-tr


IMO, the only difference between a 200K-300K ride and a brevet is the format of the ride. You don't need cargo capacity for a ride of that length. If you're comfortable on a racing bike for the distance, ride that. Personally, I would hate to drag some steel pig around for 200-300K. The last 200K or 200 mile ride I did was on a racing bike.

I wouldn't want to ride more than 200-300K because I have other things to do, like sleep. I don't get the whole 1600K brevet thing, but then again, I'm old and decrepit and like to be home at night drinking.

-- Jay Beattie.



 




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