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Old June 7th 18, 03:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:

....
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought on
themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you
are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any
attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your
religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning
and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for
anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants
chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax
bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's
into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets
installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as
good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty
chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal
gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.
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Old June 7th 18, 06:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:

...
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought on
themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you
are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any
attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your
religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning
and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for
anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants
chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax
bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's
into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets
installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as
good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty
chain on derailure cogs.


You might want to check your facts on that one before you express the same fallacy in a less forgiving venue.

I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal
gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and derailleur, according to reliable German tests. Even an 8-speed Shimano was faster for me once I sussed out optimum gear changes (made electronically, triggered by sensors, zero human input) than the derailleur system I had before the CyberNexus.

Andre Jute
Real men ride grungy derailleur systems
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Old June 7th 18, 01:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/6/2018 9:25 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 11:41:09 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:

Waiting for Wippermann

Act I

(two men stand on a bare dirt mound with only a dead tree, a tattered bicycle and a crock pot, its cord stretching off to infinity)

Vladamir: Wax must be put on every week, I'm tired telling you that. Why don't you listen to me?

Estragon: What do you say? Hot wax? I am too old and tired.

[intermission]


-- Jay Beckett.


Now I can ride off into the sunset, knowing that my heritage is safe in your hands, dear Jay.

Best Godot I ever saw was in Adelaide, the one in Australia, where an Aboriginal actor was cast as Lucky. The next day I was walking with this actor on North Terrace, inspecting Aboriginal art that was part of the biennial Festival of Arts, and we ran into the Governor of South Australia (we were literally in front of Government House), a clergyman who was also an Aboriginal but, unlike the usual Governor, not a politician, instead a scholar. Between the two of them they told me enough about the art on display that I wrote a double page spread for Nation Review about the Dreamtime, the cultural impetus of the Aboriginals, which much to my surprise I've several times seen quoted in scholarly texts; surprise because literally everything I knew -- then or since! -- I got from an actor and a clergyman in the space of an afternoon.

I always meant to tell Beckett this story next time I was in Paris, but just never got around to it; a few years later, when we lived in the Forest of Devres, I drove through Paris several times on my way to Italy but was always in too much of a hurry. Beckett would have appreciated the absurdity of the tale, especially the detail about Richard Condon (The Manchurian Candidate, those Prizzi tales, lots of other clever novels) marching up to us in the killer Australian heat all done up in a black suit with a waistcoat and an Englishman's black umbrella above his head (we, even the Governor, were in shirtsleeves) to thank me for putting him straight about a researcher for his book on Queen Caroline who incredibly missed Captain Gronow's Diaries...

Andre Jute
Not that shaggy, sir!


Thank you, Zelig.

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Old June 7th 18, 03:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-06-06 19:07, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-06-06 16:21, James wrote:
On 07/06/18 00:35, Joerg wrote:


It doesn't sound very healthy for the chain to soak it in dirty wax.


Doesn't seem to make any difference as far as I can tell.

I clean my chain thoroughly using interdental toothbrushes. My wive
found a brand at Costco that is more rigid than the usual ones so the
job goes faster now. First used for my teeth, then later some day for
a chain. Afterwards scrubbing with an old regular toothbrush, followed
by a good wipe-down with Kleenex. Once the chain is really shiny I
apply White Lightning Epic Ride. If you shake the bottle well the waxy
stuff in it dissolves and thus gets onto the chain as well. I use a
Q-Tip to dab it onlto the links, then gently wipe off any excess with
a Kleenex.

That way a road bike chain can run 150-250mi between cleanings
depending on whether I ride more roads or more bike paths. Gets
dirtier on roads. 40-50mi on the MTB, mostly on dirt trails. The
upside is that this method does not require me to take the chain off
the bike which I would really dread.


Wow. I leave the original chain lube on from the manufacturer to begin
with. That probably lasts 1000km or more.

I just checked a chain I put on in January. It's done over 3200km and
"stretched" 1/8 of an inch over 50 inches, or about 0.25%. I've wax
lubed it twice since I installed the chain, about every 1000km. There
has been road works where I live for two months, so every ride I have to
cross several hundred metres of dirt in each direction. I've also
cycled some gravel roads for fun.


KMC factory lube lasts me a about 500mi on the road bike but not on the
MTB. There the chain becomes noisy after 50mi no matter what. Most
singletrack is very dusty in this area and the chain gets a good dose of
water when crossing little creeks.


I don't dread taking the chain off my bike because I use a Connex quick
link, and once it is removed, it facilitates much easier cleaning of
other parts, like the rear derailleur jockey wheels for example.


I also have a KMC quick disconnect on the MTB but it's not very easy to
get off.


Nothing works for Joerg.


Sure it does, I open those at times. It's just not all that convenient.

As outlined, I have a method to clean and lube chains that works well.
It took me a while to streamline the process but by now I can do that in
15-20mins if needed. While listening to talk radio in my garage which
would make your toe nails curl :-)

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Regards, Joerg

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Old June 7th 18, 03:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 15:45:44 -0500,
AMuzi wrote:
On 6/6/2018 3:18 PM, Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 8:12:20 AM UTC-7, Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:05:28 AM UTC+1, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:


For those interested in this, after my last inquiry about
chain lubing, I decided to wax my chain...


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought
on themselves...


Well, for me it's as simple as wishing to throw the bike in
the back of the car (or pack it for travel) without having
to worry about a greasy chain.


A little, a very little thought will tell any cyclist
that he can run the chain for its entire life on the
factory lube, and in the process win a permanently clean
bike.

All it takes is a hub gearbox (or a single speed of any
flavor you fancy), a Hebie Chainglider or lesser chain
enclosure, and a chain from a manufacturer who uses
quality lube (KMC is good and cheap besides). Then you
never again need to clean a chain or clusters or
chainrings or anything else to which the chain has spread
its filth.

I assume this is all meant facetiously.

No more than using an electric cooker to melt wax for a
chain. Skip the whole thing and go with an IGH and chain
guard. I personally run my chain through a sealed oil bath
-- after carefully cleaning each link.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html


OMG, I'm severally chastised. How will I survive?

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than
cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as
suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me.
If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real
religious zealots.


As the doomed Heise stands on a bare stage, the chorus starts a
rumbling 'rhubarb' with ascending volume pierced by shouts of
'stone the heretic'. Curtain closes.


Don't I even get a curtain call?

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
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Old June 7th 18, 04:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:

...
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought on
themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you
are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any
attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your
religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning
and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for
anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants
chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax
bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's
into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets
installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as
good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty
chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal
gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax. For me, a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of long rides in December, but then nothing stays on a chain very long in hard rain. I might try wax one day -- I've got race wax and teflon powder for my skis that I might put on my chain. I'll go super fast (but only downhill)!

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old June 7th 18, 06:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Theodore Heise[_2_]
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:

...
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have
brought on themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who
you are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay
any attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing
your religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than
cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as
suitable for anyone else, just desribing how it works for
me. If that warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are
the real religious zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life.
Hot wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25%
elongation later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain
(currently SRAM PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I
ride in the rain and snow as well as good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a
dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste
energy on internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax.
For me, a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of
long rides in December, but then nothing stays on a chain very
long in hard rain. I might try wax one day -- I've got race
wax and teflon powder for my skis that I might put on my chain.
I'll go super fast (but only downhill)!


Jay makes a great point. If I rode in the rain a lot (or even
much), I probably would not be using wax.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
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Old June 7th 18, 07:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-06-07 08:57, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:50:29 PM UTC-7, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

...
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought
on themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you
are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any
attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your
religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than
cleaning and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable
for anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that
warrants chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious
zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot
wax bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation
later, it's into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM
PC850s) gets installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and
snow as well as good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a
dirty chain on derailure cogs. I'm much too lazy to waste energy on
internal gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


I got no problems with wax. People who wanna wax should wax. For me,
a good waxing would probably last about a day or two of long rides in
December, but then nothing stays on a chain very long in hard rain.
I might try wax one day -- I've got race wax and teflon powder for my
skis that I might put on my chain. I'll go super fast (but only
downhill)!


Or use silicone based lube like Clark did, for even more speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rMcRJVY1-0

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old June 7th 18, 08:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 07/06/18 07:13, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:18:36 +0000 (UTC), Theodore Heise wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
jbeattie wrote:

...
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT),
Andre Jute wrote:


Seems to me chain cleaning and waxing is another
sadomasochistic practice that cyclists without the
imagination to do something more productive have brought on
themselves.

Of course, if chain cleaning and waxing defines who you
are, like going to church on Sundays, don't pay any
attention to me; I wouldn't dream of criticizing your
religion.

Seriously, it's a very simple process, and less work than cleaning
and relubing a chain. I'm not advocating it as suitable for
anyone else, just desribing how it works for me. If that warrants
chastising, I have to wonder who are the real religious zealots.


Really simple, and something I do ONCE in the chain's life. Hot wax
bath, then on to the bike. 3000 miles and .25% elongation later, it's
into the thrash and a new $12.50 chain (currently SRAM PC850s) gets
installed. Cheap and easy. And I ride in the rain and snow as well as
good weather in NYC.

The best internally geared hubs don't have the efficiency of a dirty
chain on derailure cogs.


You might want to check your facts on that one before you express the same fallacy in a less forgiving venue.

I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal
gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and derailleur, according to reliable German tests.


Me, I'd keep my dérailleur clean and solve that problem. Save some
weight as well.


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Old June 7th 18, 08:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2018-06-07 12:15, Tosspot wrote:
On 07/06/18 07:13, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 3:50:29 AM UTC+1, ERSHC wrote:


[...]

I'm much too lazy to waste energy on internal
gears or on oiling a chain every 100 miles.


Now that's the sort of cyclist I like hearing about. Though I don't
quite see how an IGH would "waste" your energy. A Rohloff, for
instance, has 14 evenly spaced gears, a fat range, and an instant
change, through several gears in an instant, if you wish. Oh, and the
Rohloff is definitely more efficient than a dirty chain and
derailleur, according to reliable German tests.


Me, I'd keep my dérailleur clean and solve that problem. Save some
weight as well.


And a TON of money.

--
Regards, Joerg

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