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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011 By Alex Goldmark | 02/15/2012 – 6:33 pm The NYPD doled out 48,556 summonses to bike riders in 2011. That figure was reported by Executive Officer of the Transportation Bureau, John Cassidy at a hearing held by the NY City Council Wednesday on NYPD policies for traffic investigations. About 250,000 people ride a bike each day in New York city, and about 500,000 ride at least several times a month, according to the New York City Department of Transportation. At the start of last year the New York Police Department cracked down on cyclists breaking traffic laws. Bike community protests erupted, compromise was gingerly reached, and outrage faded. The pace of ticketing, however, did not abate. By the end of 2011, police handed cyclists 13,743 moving violations — those are for less serious infractions like riding on pedestrian-only paths in parks, or riding on a sidewalk. Most of the summonses last year — about 35,000 — were the more serious criminal court summonses for infractions like running red lights. By comparison, Cassidy said the NYPD’s specialized truck enforcement units issued about 25,000 tickets to truck drivers. Overall, police issued more than 1 million traffic tickets. Cassidy did not specify an exact number. More than half the tickets he said were for four categories of infraction: using cell phones while driving, not wearing a seat belt, speeding, and disobeying signs. After an extensive crowdsouring sic project to map the scale and scope of the bike crackdown by Transportation Nation, NYPD leaked to the New York Post that they issued 14,000 tickets to cyclists who broke the law between January 1 and May 26, 2011. The Post reported that was more than a 50 percent jump over previous years. In New York City, bikes count as vehicles and must obey all traffic laws unless posted signs or signals say otherwise. http://transportationnation.org/2012...ckets-in-2011/ ----- - gpsman |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:24:24 +0000, Phil W Lee wrote:
gpsman considered Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:06:34 -0800 (PST) the perfect time to write: x-post to rec.autos.driving, rec.bicycles.tech NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011 By Alex Goldmark | 02/15/2012 ¡V 6:33 pm The NYPD doled out 48,556 summonses to bike riders in 2011. That figure was reported by Executive Officer of the Transportation Bureau, John Cassidy at a hearing held by the NY City Council Wednesday on NYPD policies for traffic investigations. About 250,000 people ride a bike each day in New York city, and about 500,000 ride at least several times a month, according to the New York City Department of Transportation. At the start of last year the New York Police Department cracked down on cyclists breaking traffic laws. Bike community protests erupted, compromise was gingerly reached, and outrage faded. The pace of ticketing, however, did not abate. By the end of 2011, police handed cyclists 13,743 moving violations ¡X those are for less serious infractions like riding on pedestrian-only paths in parks, or riding on a sidewalk. Most of the summonses last year ¡X about 35,000 ¡X were the more serious criminal court summonses for infractions like running red lights. By comparison, Cassidy said the NYPD¡¦s specialized truck enforcement units issued about 25,000 tickets to truck drivers. Overall, police issued more than 1 million traffic tickets. Cassidy did not specify an exact number. More than half the tickets he said were for four categories of infraction: using cell phones while driving, not wearing a seat belt, speeding, and disobeying signs. After an extensive crowdsouring sic project to map the scale and scope of the bike crackdown by Transportation Nation, NYPD leaked to the New York Post that they issued 14,000 tickets to cyclists who broke the law between January 1 and May 26, 2011. The Post reported that was more than a 50 percent jump over previous years. In New York City, bikes count as vehicles and must obey all traffic laws unless posted signs or signals say otherwise. http://transportationnation.org/2012...ckets-in-2011/ ----- - gpsman Of course, they padded the figures by issuing tickets for invented offenses, like "not riding in the bike lane". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ Have they stopped assaulting cyclists yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAyZKWEe10 Cool. I like the ending where the guy slams his bike into the illegally parked cop car. But that wasn't "padding", as that was the only offense listed or spoken of. Though they do like to exaggerate the numbers quite a bit. |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On 2/22/2012 1:59 AM, Evan Platt wrote:
He states it's not always safest to ride in the bike lane. Agreed. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. So, when it's not safe, move out of the bike lane. You're making the assumption that general traffic lanes are forbidden to bicycles in the presence of a bike lane. That's not the case at all. If the cyclist is keeping up with traffic, there's no requirement to ride in the bike lane. Given the average speed of NYC traffic on many streets, it's not that difficult to keep up with it on a bicycle. |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On Feb 22, 8:42*am, Arif Khokar wrote:
On 2/22/2012 1:59 AM, Evan Platt wrote: He states it's not always safest to ride in the bike lane. Agreed. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. So, when it's not safe, move out of the bike lane. You're making the assumption that general traffic lanes are forbidden to bicycles in the presence of a bike lane. *That's not the case at all. If the cyclist is keeping up with traffic, there's no requirement to ride in the bike lane. *Given the average speed of NYC traffic on many streets, it's not that difficult to keep up with it on a bicycle. Just because there's no requirement doesn't mean you won't get a ticket/summons for it. By the way, to my NYC brethren, the cops seem to be out and ticket happy today. |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On 2/21/2012 8:06 AM, gpsman wrote:
x-post to rec.autos.driving, rec.bicycles.tech NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011 By Alex Goldmark | 02/15/2012 – 6:33 pm ,,,,, Well its really very simple you see: all the truck drivers are in unions, and the bicyclists aren't. ......... NYC sucks for a variety of reasons IMO; this would just be another one in the pile. But even if you liked it for some odd reason, it would still be a lousy place to ride a bicycle. On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
gpsman wrote:
NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011 By Alex Goldmark | 02/15/2012 – 6:33 pm DougC wrote: Well its really very simple you see: all the truck drivers are in unions, and the bicyclists aren't. ........ NYC sucks for a variety of reasons IMO; this would just be another one in the pile. But even if you liked it for some odd reason, it would still be a lousy place to ride a bicycle. On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. As a single data point, this rider always borrows a bike when in NYC. I thoroughly enjoy it. YMMV. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On Feb 22, 5:14*pm, DougC wrote:
On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. So by that standard, most people who use a bike for practical transportation are dumb? Sorry, I strongly disagree. - Frank Krygowski |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On Feb 22, 9:20*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:14*pm, DougC wrote: On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. So by that standard, most people who use a bike for practical transportation are dumb? *Sorry, I strongly disagree. "Nyuh-uh" as a rebuttal is the mark of a moron. Perhaps you'd care to explain how you find the idea of riding a bike in traffic a wise and reasoned decision... ----- - gpsman |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
gpsman wrote:
On Feb 22, 9:20 pm, Frank wrote: On Feb 22, 5:14 pm, wrote: On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. So by that standard, most people who use a bike for practical transportation are dumb? Sorry, I strongly disagree. "Nyuh-uh" as a rebuttal is the mark of a moron. I don't see yours as being better. Perhaps you'd care to explain how you find the idea of riding a bike in traffic a wise and reasoned decision... We can start with the fact that study after study has found that the benefits of biking for transportation greatly outweigh the risks. And of course, by its nature, most biking for transportation occurs in traffic. In Mayer Hillman's work _Cycling and the Promotion of Health_, Policy Studies, Summer 1995, vol. 14 (2) he concluded that bicycling has a 20:1 benefit-to-risk ratio in terms of years of life gained to lost. IIRC, that estimate included benefits to non-cyclists at less risk from car traffic, pollution, etc. de Hartog,et. al., "Do the Health Benefits of Cycling Outweigh the Risks?", Environ Health Perspect 118:1109-1116 (2010) estimated benefit to risk ratios of 9:1 (in Holland) and 7:1 (in Britain) in terms of years of life gained to lost, for just the cyclists themselves. Rojas-Rueda, et.al., "The health risks and benefits of cycling in urban environments compared with car use: health impact assessment study," BMJ 2011; 343:d4521 studied benefits to risks for those who chose to use Barcelona's bike share system instead of using cars. They estimated 77:1 for those specific cyclists. Rabl, A. et. al., "Benefits of shift from car to active transport," Transport Policy 19 (2012) 121-131 does its computations based on Euro costs, rather than years of life. It estimates a health gain benefit from exercise (bicycling) at 1310 Euros/year, plus a public health gain of 33 Euros/year, vs. -19 Euros/year cost to the individual from air pollution, and -53 Euros/year from accidents. For the individual, that would give a benefit to risk ratio of 1310/(19+53) or about 18:1 in terms of Euros. I've got other papers on the topic, but those should give you a start. I don't know of any studies that have found a net detriment to cycling for transportation. The supposed detriments are fantasies of the "Danger! Danger!" crowd. And, perhaps, those who use the word "moron" in discussions. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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NYPD Issued Almost 50,000 Bicycle Tickets in 2011
On a bicycle, the biggest risk you usually face is getting hit by a motor vehicle. Therefore, riding in an urban area where auto traffic is dense (heh) is automatically dumb. I've been called worse by better, but guilty as charged |
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