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On Nov 15, 3:18*am, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Nov 14, 6:40*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Nov 14, 4:42*pm, James wrote: On Nov 13, 11:01*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: Do you doubt that racers are stronger on average than in (say) 1965? Do you imagine there have been no improvements in training techniques, in nutrition, in understanding of the human body regarding racing since 1965? *If that's true, there is an army of researchers who have utterly failed in their jobs! *I think coaches and (especially) top racers know a lot more now than they did in '65, even if we pretend there is no doping going on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_d...stive_question Actually Francis, let me interject that I also have no doubt that the bikes have improved, but you can't allow that assumption to be true, can you? In fact you have assumed the opposite in order to "prove" the opposite. The articles in that issue of Bicycling Quarterly compared two bike races to data from running races ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_a...ki/Pro_hominem *The Milan-San Remo data showed no increasing speed trend, only random variation, since 1965, when run over essentially the same course. It seems implausible, at best, to say the changes in bikes are tremendously important if there's no evidence of such in race results. *(But see below, James. *Maybe you can find evidence?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spuriou..._the_goalposts If not relevant, send the specs of your touring bike and have a team race that instead. Hmm. *Sounds like you didn't find any evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_b...ental_language It seems like what you'd need is a good collection of data points that show that when racers adopt lighter wheelsets, their percentage of wins in races increases significantly. *And it seems _some_ wheel manufacturer would be interested in collecting that data, to help sales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaningless_statement If you don't have such, you're in the position of saying my data is invalid, but providing no countering data of your own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful...tivist_fallacy [Note: Frannie - YOU were the one with a hypothesis] Please find where I said "..that lighter wheels lead to a _significantly_ greater chance of winning". OK, if you're saying that lighter wheels provide only an _insignificantly_ greater chance of winning, then we're finally in agreement! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_m...less_statement - Francis Kygowskihttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/****tard Frannie, *what faculty members shall we check with for peer review? I'm thinking the logic instructors should also be made aware that some profs at Youngstown State probably need some remedial work on the basics. It reflects poorly on an academic institution when its profs act uneducated. But I suppose they can take some pride in having a WORLD CLASS expert and model for logical fallacies. DR Hey, Mr Roadie, are we to understand that you don't like Frank Krygowski? Whyever not? Kreepy is no worse than lots of stupid, self- important ponces on the internet. And at least Krygo is our stupid, self-important ponce. Andre Jute Boss ****-stirrer |
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On Nov 14, 6:40 pm, Frank wrote:
On Nov 14, 4:42 pm, wrote: On Nov 13, 11:01 pm, Frank wrote: Do you doubt that racers are stronger on average than in (say) 1965? Do you imagine there have been no improvements in training techniques, in nutrition, in understanding of the human body regarding racing since 1965? If that's true, there is an army of researchers who have utterly failed in their jobs! I think coaches and (especially) top racers know a lot more now than they did in '65, even if we pretend there is no doping going on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_assertion_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overwhelming_consensus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestive_question Actually Francis, let me interject that I also have no doubt that the bikes have improved, but you can't allow that assumption to be true, can you? In fact you have assumed the opposite in order to "prove" the opposite. The articles in that issue of Bicycling Quarterly compared two bike races to data from running races ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_hominem The Milan-San Remo data showed no increasing speed trend, only random variation, since 1965, when run over essentially the same course. It seems implausible, at best, to say the changes in bikes are tremendously important if there's no evidence of such in race results. (But see below, James. Maybe you can find evidence?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incomplete_comparison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_probability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts If not relevant, send the specs of your touring bike and have a team race that instead. Hmm. Sounds like you didn't find any evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgmental_language It seems like what you'd need is a good collection of data points that show that when racers adopt lighter wheelsets, their percentage of wins in races increases significantly. And it seems _some_ wheel manufacturer would be interested in collecting that data, to help sales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaningless_statement If you don't have such, you're in the position of saying my data is invalid, but providing no countering data of your own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful...ogical_fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativist_fallacy [Note: Frannie - YOU were the one with a hypothesis] Please find where I said "..that lighter wheels lead to a _significantly_ greater chance of winning". OK, if you're saying that lighter wheels provide only an _insignificantly_ greater chance of winning, then we're finally in agreement! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_(disambiguation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaningless_statement - Francis Kygowski http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/****tard Frannie, what faculty members shall we check with for peer review? I'm thinking the logic instructors should also be made aware that some profs at Youngstown State probably need some remedial work on the basics. It reflects poorly on an academic institution when its profs act uneducated. But I suppose they can take some pride in having a WORLD CLASS expert and model for logical fallacies. DR Hey, Mr Roadie, are we to understand that you don't like Frank Krygowski? Whyever not? Kreepy is no worse than lots of stupid, self- important ponces on the internet. And at least Krygo is our stupid, self-important ponce. No, don't be silly. "Liking" has no business being discussed here. This is a technical discussion group. Francis was kind enough to offer examples of his mastery of "logical fallacies," and I understood that to mean that he fully intended those to be shared with the group as such, especially since logic forms the basis of critical thinking in the "science" that Francis is so fond of. We may have to follow up with full peer review, although it remains unclear who his peers may be. Nobody here has stepped forward to assume that role and no other parties have been found who will admit knowing him. DR Although Frank claims God, Gandhi, Buddah, Allah |
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We have our replacement for "jim beam"
On 11/15/2010 12:28 AM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:
[...] No, don't be silly. "Liking" has no business being discussed here. This is a technical discussion group. A lot like what "jim beam" used to write. Francis was kind enough to offer examples of his mastery of "logical fallacies," and I understood that to mean that he fully intended those to be shared with the group as such, especially since logic forms the basis of critical thinking in the "science" that Francis is so fond of. We may have to follow up with full peer review, although it remains unclear who his peers may be. Who is "we" - "DirtRoadie" and The André Jute? [blah, blah, blah snipped] -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Nov 15, 1:38*am, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote: On 11/15/2010 12:28 AM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem |
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We have our replacement for "jim beam"
jim beam has moved on to bigger and better things, I accidentally saw
some recent-appearing posts from him in an automotive newsgroup. -- Gotta make it somehow on the dreams you still believe. |
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On Nov 15, 3:27*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
Andre Jute Boss ****-stirrer Afraid someone might knock you off the top branch? JS |
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On Nov 16, 5:54*am, James wrote:
On Nov 15, 3:27*pm, Andre Jute wrote: Andre Jute Boss ****-stirrer Afraidsomeonemightknockyouoffthetopbranch? JS High time someone showed some balls around here. Are you volunteering? -- AJ |
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On 11/16/2010 12:34 AM, kolldata aka AVOGADRO V wrote:
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, James wrote: On Nov 15, 3:27*pm, Andre Jute wrote: Andre Jute Boss ****-stirrer Afraid someone might knock you off the top branch? ****-stirrers stand at the bottom of the tree so they can wallow in the ****. Just where "Andre" likes to be. -- Gotta make it somehow on the dreams you still believe. |
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