Weights of my bikes

On Fri, 21 May 2021 16:50:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/2021 00:37, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Ade
wrote:

On 17/05/2021 18:39, Tom Kunich wrote:
Colnago CLX3.0 bare - 15.8 lbs Lemond Zurich bare - 20.3 lbs
Douglas Vector with seatpack. - 17.4 Douglas Ti with water bottle
and seat pack. - 20.3 lbs. Eddy Merckx with bottle half full and
heavy seatpack - 20.8

My 2018 Trek Emonda bare was 17.5 lbs.

As you can see, aluminum bikes do not necessary have a weight
penalty. Nor are titanium bikes particularly light.

I would say that since about 2001 that most decent bikes couldn't
be declared as "heavy". The complete Look KG585 which was a light
climbing bike was 16 lbs even bare.


Making bikes light is one thing, making them last is another.

My last allow bike was a Specialised Allez. The frame was light
enough, about 1.5KG (3 lbs in old speak). I weighed it when I
stripped it for return, it had cracked due to fatigue. It was a
thing of beauty, much nicer than the horrid oversized carbon frame
they replaced it with.

My previous alloy Trek failed at about the same distance, ~10,000
miles.

I thought the benefit of titanium was that like steel it had a
fatigue limit, meaning it wouldn't inevitably eventually fatigue
like aluminium. I know aluminium bikes can be made so the fatigue
failure takes a long time, but I suspect this adds weight. So I
bought a cheap heavy gravel type bike, it is real heavy, but
surprisingly fun to ride.

Given that the CDC reports that 70.2% of U.S. adults are overweight
or obese the frantic search for a lighter bicycle seems rather
futile.
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ity#definition

Not really, it's easier to push up a hill :-)
John is probably so overweight that he can't get up from the sofa without a lift.

Overweight is NOT a measurement. You can be overweight with just 5 lbs
above your ideal weight for your body type. I am 6'4" and have a
slender body type and I have an ideal weight of 180 lbs. So my 190
lbs. puts me overweight even though a "normal" body type has an ideal
body weight of 185-190.

Gross Obesity is and it is only 1 in 7 Americans and most of those are Hispanics.

Well you should have googled this one as you are all wrong.

You are 6'4"= 76 inches, and you say that you weigh 190 lbs. then your
BMI (Body Mass Index) is 23.

BMI is less than 18.5, the underweight range.
BMI is 18.5 to 25, the healthy weight range.
BMI is 25.0 to 30, the overweight range.
BMI is 30.0 or higher, the obesity range.

As for obesity by race you missed again.
Non-Hispanic Black adults (49.6%)
Hispanic adults (44.8%),
Caucasian adults (42.2%)
Asian adults (17.4%

See Tommy if you look things up instead of just yapping at the moon
you wouldn't look so stupid.
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Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:17:26 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:18:06 +1000, James
wrote:
Our dryer looks remarkably less complicated.
https://www.hillshome.com.au/our-pro...t-clothesline/
At first glance, I thought that was a ham radio antenna:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cobweb+antenna&tbm=isch

I don't have a washer or dryer at home. I use one of the local
laundromats. Two wash and dry loads usually end up costing me about
$15US for everything. 5 visits per year costs me $75/year. A
tolerable washer and dry would cost me about $2,000. At $75/year, it
would take me 27 years to break even (ignoring maintenance costs). The
laundromats aren't very convenient, but they are relatively cheap.
5 visits a year? Yikes. Note that "changing" your underwear does not include minor modifications like turning them inside-out or wearing them backwards.

You can get a decent used washer/dryer pretty cheaply on Craigslist. I felt liberated after buying my first washer and dryer. I didn't have to sit around at a laundromat or run up and down stairs in an apartment complex to make sure nobody stole my boxers. My current washing machine is a 80s Maytag I inherited from great aunt, may she rest in peace. It still works great.

-- Jay Beattie.

I saw that 5 visits per year and wondered too. I wash about once per week since I own a washer and dryer and its very convenient. In the hallway a few feet from the bedroom. Not inconvenient in the basement. I'm still using a Amana washer and dryer I got about 25 years ago from my brother when he was in Dallas. He bought them at a garage sale. I'm frugal or a slob depending on your definition. I wear some clothes for a long time before washing it. Other clothing needs washing frequently since its a one use item. Bike shorts and socks fit into the one use and then wash category according to me. So if I managed to ride every single day and put on clothes afterwards for normal living. I could only make it about two weeks between required washings. I haven't stock piled clothes for the next apocalypse so my supply is sort of limited.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:51:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Drivel: What bothers me is why Tom has such a high error rate. In
order to be wrong over 90% of the time, one has to intentionally
contrive wrong answers. Random ignorance would produce a
substantially lower error rate.

I subscribe this trait to Tom being a Trump Republican. Tom, Trump, Republicans lie 90% of the time on 90% of the subjects they encounter. So this characteristic becomes their modus operandi. And then they assume this is reality. The way the real world really works. Lies are truth to Tom Trump Republicans.

An analogy. Waking up early at 6 AM for work Mon-Fri. A routine pattern develops. And you get up extra early on Sat and Sun too even though there is no need to. Its routine. You lie 90% of the time you are talking, writing. So lies are normal. Lies are your reality. You lie 90% of the time.





So, what makes being consistently
wrong so important to Tom that he does it so regularly, consistently,
and possibly intentionally? My guess(tm) is that Tom wants attention
and being wrong provides him with an audience willing to assist by
offering corrections. If Tom's answers were routinely correct, he
would receive very few replies from readers of R.B.T. Most readers
would think "yeah, that's right" and move on. However, if he writes
things that are totally wrong, readers feel obligated to provide
corrections. That's the way to draw a crowd and it works. That also
explains why Tom replies to every new thread, even his own threads,
without fail.

"Narcissistic personality disorder"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
See the list of symptoms. I think I've seen almost all of them. Do
these sound familiar?
- Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
- Exaggerate achievements and talents.
- Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance...
- Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally
special people.
- Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they
perceive as inferior.
- Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited,
boastful and pretentious.
- Insist on having the best of everything...


Are you talking about Tom or Trump in the above list? I cannot tell.







Tom, get help.
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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:41:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
My current washing machine is a 80s Maytag I inherited from great
aunt, may she rest in peace. It still works great.
In the 1980's, Maytag made great appliances. However, quality began
to deteriorate starting in the 1990's culminating with the fire prone
Neptune washing machine. Under Whirlpool after 2006, Maytag became
just another brand.

Learn something new every day. I did not know Whirlpool bought Maytag in 2006. Whirlpool also owns Amana too. Maytag bought Amana in 2002.






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Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 6:29:49 PM UTC-5, wrote:

The basic concept is economic. Purchasing a washer and dryer can be
expensive. Going to a laundromat can delay that purchase. In my
situation, I decided that laundry economics favors not buying the
equipment and not dedicating a part of my house for it. The potential
for leach field failure was too high. I also don't like listening to
the noise the machinery makes.

I'd say ability is stronger than economic. Ability to own, use a washing/drying machine where you live. In some prior apartments I resided, there was no laundry facility on site, so I had to use a laundromat nearby. And no ability to put a washer/dryer within my apartment rooms. Other apartments I lived in had an on site laundry room/building or washers and dryers in the basement of the building my specific apartment was in. Again no ability to hook up a washer or dryer in the apartment unit itself. I used the coin operated machines. This was way back before machines could accept paper dollars. Quarters only. I could easily go back to my apartment room while the machine was running. No need to stand beside it to make sure no one stole my old clothes.

But the moment I bought a house, my first house, I got a washer and dryer. My first house was cheap. It was a foreclosed house I bought direct from HUD. A small truck load of washers and dryers cost more than my house when I bought it. Once I had the ability to install a washer and dryer at my residence, I bought a washer and dryer. Actually these were the free ones I got from my brother that he got at a yard sale. I don't recall ever paying him for them. Maybe my Mom paid him for me. And I was happily ignorant. But it was the ability to have a washer and dryer, not the economics of washing.




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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:04:09 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/19/2021 8:19 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:57:48 -0700, sms
wrote:
On 5/19/2021 10:11 AM, jbeattie wrote:

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Why do you just make this sh** up? It's not cute. Neither I nor Frank nor anyone has said that other materials do not fail as often or more often that Ti. I've broken four or more steel frames, five or more aluminum. It is likely that had I owned Ti, I would have broken it. I broke a Ti chain (stupid purchase) and Ti pedal spindles (also a stupid purchase), but that was back in the '70s when Ti was pretty sketchy and was expected to break.

Wow, you're really hard on your frames. Have you considered counseling?
Never mind the broken bicycle problem he also has metal - probably
titanium - body parts :-)

I've broken six or seven cranks, multiple pedals, BB spindle, hub axle, handlebars, a seat clamp, derailleur hanger (twig snarled RD), chains -- almost every component on a bike except a stem. Even though I broke several of the cranks riding out of the saddle -- and one in an all-out sprint -- I never crashed. Frame failures are usually pretty benign, too, and you just end up with a click or a creak or a wobbly frame -- or most often for me, I just find a crack while cleaning the bike and retire the frame. The only failure I truly dread is a broken fork, which is not a failure you can just ride through. I've never broken a fork (crossing fingers) -- well, I did break a fork, but the bike was in a roof rack and collided with a garage door header. Ooops.

-- Jay Beattie.




Good observation.
Frame failures may be inconvenient, annoying, expensive etc
but I can't recall an actual rider injury from one. Forks,
yes, are a different matter.

The frame failure I had was due to a car-bike crash. I was on the bike of course. I left the scene in an ambulance and stayed in the hospital for a night I think. My broken frame and its attached parts got hauled to the police station. I picked them up later.




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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:39:21 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
Y'all seem to be making mountains out of molehills. After we were
married it was 20 years before my wife had her first washing machine
:-)
--
John B.

You've been living in Thailand for awhile. Your wife is Thailand native. Guessing there is a perception, cultural, country of origin factor involved here. I assume there are a few people, men, on this forum who have daughters that married and went to live with their new husbands. I doubt any of them have stories of their daughters not having a washing machine for 20 years. Leaving out the daughters who lived in New York City/San Francisco apartments for 20 years and who could not afford to buy a house or washer/dryer.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to finish.....We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines. Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping I was going to end up where I wanted to.

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 9:36:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
So it is your opinion that 9.8 m/s^2 is not the acceleration of gravity? Sorry, you missed another great chance and instead simply looked like John with his copying and pasting Google because he doesn't know anything himself.

Gosh Tom, I feel neglected and unappreciated now. Mentioning John but not me. I use Google to demonstrate your failures. But my use of Google to demonstrate your fallacy does not demonstrate my lack of knowledge. I use Google to find facts. Facts such as the rate of inflation or GDP or stock market values for the Dow, Nasdaq, S&P over the past 20-50 years. Simple FACTS that no one could be expected to remember in detail. But FACTS that can be looked up and used to refute your myriad of falsehoods. Facts that can be used in logical reasoning to refute your lies. Google is good.

Op zaterdag 22 mei 2021 om 10:21:30 UTC+2 schreef :
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 4:32:12 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Five visits a year and 2 loads per visit?????? Never understood the concept of a laundromat. Sitting there waiting the wash/dry to finish.....We have no laundromats here. Everyone has a washer and most of them also a dryer.

Lou

Its been almost 30 years since I was in Netherlands. August 1992. I do not recall how I did laundry while riding through Netherlands. Whether I found a laundromat or the hostels I stayed in had washing machines. Or I just waited, used dirty clothes until I got down to Belgium. On the summer of bicycling through Europe in 1992 I do not recall ever washing clothes by hand in the sink. I did go to a few laundromats over the summer. I recall a very pleasant laundromat in a city outside Venice where I met a nice girl and had an enjoyable supper with her in a restaurant. Took the commuter train to Venice the next day for touring. I do remember riding on the trails in Netherlands. At times I did not like the trails because they separated from the roads on my map and I wondered if I was going to the right destination because I could not see the road on my map and was just riding blind and hoping I was going to end up where I wanted to.

In tourist locations like hostel, B&B holiday apartments etc. they often offer the use of a washing machine and a dryer. In hotels they have a washing service. In a family household however a washing machine and a dryer is considered a necessity of life. I can't imagine a family household with a couple of kids using a laundromat. If a washing machine breaks there is a panic and it has to be repaired or replaced within a couple of days otherwise the whole system breaks down. We have dry cleaners though but laundromats nah.

Lou