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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:40:51 GMT, Leo Lichtman
wrote: I think you're thinking is up-side-down. There was no bad deraileur. A bad cable, replaced with a good one, made a good deraileur start working again. I have to aggree with you. Under the right circumstances what seemed bad turns out to be good - just like some people do :-) Ivar -- Sendt med Operas banebrydende nyhedsgruppe- og e-postklient: http://www.opera.com/m2/ |
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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:35:24 GMT, Phil, Squid-in-Training
skrev: At our shop, we use any cables and housing that are cheap: QBP, Aztec, Pyramid, Jagwire, etc. They all work fine as long as they are stainless or lined. Brand doesn't seem to make a difference... quality seems the same. I have been convinced - by you pro's in the business - that there are several just-as-good-as-DA cable/housing and much cheaper. But for a cheap - and by several winters worn down - derailer with a soft spring, there was too much friction in a new standard Shimano cable/housing. I am sure it was stainless - but I don't know what "lined" means in this connection. I would like to know how to check for the deciding qualities in a low friction cable/housing. Ivar |
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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
Ivar Hesselager wrote:
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:35:24 GMT, Phil, Squid-in-Training skrev: At our shop, we use any cables and housing that are cheap: QBP, Aztec, Pyramid, Jagwire, etc. They all work fine as long as they are stainless or lined. Brand doesn't seem to make a difference... quality seems the same. I have been convinced - by you pro's in the business - that there are several just-as-good-as-DA cable/housing and much cheaper. But for a cheap - and by several winters worn down - derailer with a soft spring, there was too much friction in a new standard Shimano cable/housing. I am sure it was stainless - but I don't know what "lined" means in this connection. I would like to know how to check for the deciding qualities in a low friction cable/housing. Ivar Stainless cable is shiny. Galvanized (the other low-quality type) is a dull grey. Lined housing has a plastic liner on the inside that separates the stainless cable from the helical cable reinforcement of the housing. You can see it if you cut the housing and notice a bluish-grey piece of plastic covering the hole in which you would put the cable. Unlined housing, when you cut it, usually looks rusty inside the hole. -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
Ivar Hesselager wrote:
Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:35:24 GMT, Phil, Squid-in-Training skrev: At our shop, we use any cables and housing that are cheap: QBP, Aztec, Pyramid, Jagwire, etc. They all work fine as long as they are stainless or lined. Brand doesn't seem to make a difference... quality seems the same. I have been convinced - by you pro's in the business - that there are several just-as-good-as-DA cable/housing and much cheaper. But for a cheap - and by several winters worn down - derailer with a soft spring, there was too much friction in a new standard Shimano cable/housing. I am sure it was stainless - but I don't know what "lined" means in this connection. I would like to know how to check for the deciding qualities in a low friction cable/housing. Ivar both the d/a & xtr cables are both "lined & slimed" - the inners have a polyethelyene liner and are lubed [i think with silicone]. the ferrules also have internal grommet seals that keep out the grit that is the cause of the friction problem in the first place. fwiw, the cables are also very high quality with much smoother strand surfaces than some of the cheaper brand cables. check them out with a magnifier. anyway, the combo of non-goopy lube, ferrules and quality wire make for a great long lasting overall combination. cheaper cables are lined, not slimed, and the ferrules are not sealed. they work fine initially, but time to next needed maintenance is much reduced in my experience - particularly in rain, mud, etc. |
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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
the deray system is balanced by design. using "grease" on the cables-a
practice not recommended by shimano-in cold weather probabbbly gettting below ambient summer temps to 60 degrees then causes gease/cable "sticktion", the design balance is upset, the deray no longer responds. no grease, no oil, maybe light teflon wax to 40 degrees |
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Yes, I wanna witness (about cable quality)
Ivar Hesselager wrote: 25 Nov 2005 06:39:11 -0800, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Too bad the 'light' didn't include seeing that many LBS inner wires and lined housing are 'XTR/DA' quality w/o the high price. Most aftermarket inner wire/housing combos, the highest quality ones, are on par with the 'branded' ones...just less money. No, that doesn't matter. I am celebrating that I succeded in blowing new life into a cheap and old derailler, simply by installing top quality wire/housing. On top of the satisfaction I saved around 50 dollars by not buying af new derailler, as I was ready to. However, the experience that I wanted to share, was not how cheap I could get around the problem, but how wire/housing of top quality can make a bad derailler work good. Agree with this I know you, Peter Old Man, know which cable sets are as-good-as-but-much-cheaper. All I know is that the cheap Shimano cable set isn't good enough for a cheap derailler. Agree times 2-good for you going to the cheapest solution first...something I wish some bike shops here in the republic would do... Ivar (of Denmark) |
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