Mike is Still Here?

Been viewing this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time to
see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing. Guess
he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too annoying to deal
with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a kill joy but about as
important to the world as a pimple on my butt.

I tell you, since I put him in my blocked users list i no longer need to go
to Anger Management Therapy :-)

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:52:08 GMT, "Tim Bondy"
wrote:

|Been viewing this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time to
|see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing. Guess
|he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too annoying to deal
|with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a kill joy but about as
|important to the world as a pimple on my butt.

Hence your idiotic post...

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:35:41 +0000, P e t e F a g e r l i n wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:52:08 GMT, "Tim Bondy" wrote:

|Been viewing this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time
|to see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing.
|Guess he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too annoying
|to deal with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a kill joy but
|about as important to the world as a pimple on my butt.

Hence your idiotic post...

Exactly. If Mike V is so annoying then why do people insist of posting
stuff about him. By writing this I am contributing to that. Move along
now, nothing to see here.

--
Matt

Fear of a flat planet

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:24:45 +0000, Matthew Paterson
wrote:

..On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:35:41 +0000, P e t e F a g e r l i n wrote:
..
.. On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:52:08 GMT, "Tim Bondy" wrote:
..
.. |Been viewing this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time
.. |to see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing.
.. |Guess he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too annoying
.. |to deal with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a kill joy but
.. |about as important to the world as a pimple on my butt.
..
.. Hence your idiotic post...
..
..Exactly. If Mike V is so annoying then why do people insist of posting
..stuff about him. By writing this I am contributing to that. Move along
..now, nothing to see here.

It only proves that mountain bikers have no life. Even when I'm not here, you
guys can't help talking about me! Even P e t e "Better Than Everyone Else" F a
g e r l i n.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:24:45 +0000, Matthew Paterson
wrote:
.On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:35:41 +0000, P e t e F a g e r l i n wrote: . .
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003
01:52:08 GMT, "Tim Bondy" wrote: . . |Been viewing
this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time . |to
see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing.
. |Guess he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too
annoying . |to deal with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a
kill joy but . |about as important to the world as a pimple on my
butt. . . Hence your idiotic post...
. .Exactly. If Mike V is so annoying then why do people insist of
posting .stuff about him. By writing this I am contributing to that.
Move along .now, nothing to see here.
It only proves that mountain bikers have no life. Even when I'm not
here, you guys can't help talking about me! Even P e t e "Better Than
Everyone Else" F a g e r l i n.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp:...ll.net/mjvande

Wow. I just came here to look for info on a particular mountain bike,
and stumbled upon this mess.

As an admitted "ranter" about different topics (endless road
construction and Off-road vehicles included -- don't get me started on
GWBush), I still found these strings completely over-the-top. First of
all, angry discussions like these do nothing but polarize people, and
you're not going to change anyone's mind by insulting them. Secondly,
there's nothing as pointless (and uneducated) as generalizing about a
group of individuals. You certainly can't group me, or any of my riding
friends, into the class that MV has put mountain-bikers. However, I have
seen people, that happen to mountain bike, be inconsiderate to other
trail user's, and to the wilderness environment. And, as a mountain
biker, I am the first one to attempt to educate these people, in a calm,
rational manner.

The fact of the matter is, that because we live in the USA (I'll be
moving to Canada if GW is elected again), we have been given priveleges
that include using our natural resources within the boundaries of our
local statutes. Everyone has the right to use our public lands to their
enjoyment, and land should be set aside for specific uses (even by
horses, and cryptobiotics).

But if that doesn't continue, hopefully a group of incestous, inbred
Texas off-roaders (or snowmobilers), runs over MV while he's got his
shrivelled-up penis up some mule deer with wasting disease -- the result
leading to a total ban on anyone, in any forest, that's not on two
wheels, powered by the lower extremeties of a homo sapien sapien.

pn (Master of Science, Environmental Engineering)









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Vandeman wrote:
. On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:24:45 +0000, Matthew Paterson
. wrote:
. .On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:35:41 +0000, P e t e F a g e r l i n
wrote: . .
. On Fri, 25 Jul 2003
. 01:52:08 GMT, "Tim Bondy" wrote: . .
|Been viewing
. this NG for 4 years or so. I just visit from time to time . |to
. see if that crazy guy is still posting his Nazi theories on MBing.
. . |Guess he's still lurking and posting. Quite a guy but way too
. annoying . |to deal with. Bye for another 6 months. Mike V is a
. kill joy but . |about as important to the world as a pimple on my
. butt. . . Hence your idiotic post...
. . .Exactly. If Mike V is so annoying then why do people insist of
. posting .stuff about him. By writing this I am contributing to
that.
. Move along .now, nothing to see here.
. It only proves that mountain bikers have no life. Even when I'm not
. here, you guys can't help talking about me! Even P e t e
"Better Than
. Everyone Else" F a g e r l i n.
. ===
. I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans
. ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting
. auto dependence and road construction.)
. http://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp:...t/mjvandehttp-
://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp://home.pacbell.net/mjvande . .Wow. I
just came here to look for info on a particular mountain bike, .and
stumbled upon this mess. . .As an admitted "ranter" about different
topics (endless road .construction and Off-road vehicles included --
don't get me started on .GWBush), I still found these strings
completely over-the-top. First of .all, angry discussions like these
do nothing but polarize people, and .you're not going to change
anyone's mind by insulting them. Secondly, .there's nothing as
pointless (and uneducated) as generalizing about a .group of
individuals. You certainly can't group me, or any of my riding
.friends, into the class that MV has put mountain-bikers. However, I
have .seen people, that happen to mountain bike, be inconsiderate to
other .trail user's, and to the wilderness environment. And, as a
mountain .biker, I am the first one to attempt to educate these
people, in a calm, .rational manner. . .The fact of the matter is,
that because we live in the USA (I'll be .moving to Canada if GW is
elected again), we have been given priveleges .that include using our
natural resources within the boundaries of our .local statutes.
Everyone has the right to use our public lands to their .enjoyment,
and land should be set aside for specific uses (even by .horses, and
cryptobiotics). . .But if that doesn't continue, hopefully a group of
incestous, inbred .Texas off-roaders (or snowmobilers), runs over MV
Your threat is duly noted.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans
("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting
auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvandehttp:...ll.net/mjvande




AS A scientist, I see narrow-minded individuals like yourself everyday
within my field. Typically, they are angry, bitter people that have
irrational obsessions on any number of subjects. While they may be
intelligent, they are unable to grasp "the big picture", and often
underestimate (or fail to include) key influences on a subject they are
attempting to study. Additionally, they have no sense of humor, they are
boring and one-dimensional, and are little liked by their peers.

... however, that's not the point of this reply. I'd like to clarify my
point, and refute your statements, in SMALL words, sans humor and
sarcasm so that you and other small-minded people can understand.

1. Here, in America, there should be public lands set aside for lawful
(determined by the people) outdoor activities of all kinds. YES,
even for those that choose to ride motorcycles and ATVs through the
woods (even though I don't like them). HOWEVER, these lands should
be chosen to minimize impact to threatened/endangered species --
ADDITIONALLY, in this case, non-motorized users should be advised
that they will encounter these vehicles and to understand that this
land is intended for this use. IN this same way, land should be set
aside for non-motorized use (read, mountain bikes, and peds). AND
there should be land set aside for pedestrians only. AND, maybe land
set aside that off-limits to humans -- Not sure about this, or how
it would work -- would you be the only one allowed there to police
this? (But, you calling this "pure-habitat" is bunk, humans are part
of the ecosystem)

2. National Parks and Wilderness areas should remain mountain bike
free. But, as anyone knows who has visited Yosemite, Rocky Mountain,
or Yellowstone, the real issue is the automobiles that create
traffic jams, noise, and smog (and in Yellowstone, the permission of
snowmobiles -- Mike why don't you tackle that instead?)

3. There was, absolutely, in no manner, a threat in my last post. (Go
back to my first paragraph on "no sense of humor" and not
understanding underlying messages).

4. SCIENCE is not generalizing, it is "i. Observation and description
of a phenomenon or group of phenomena. ii. Formulation of an
hypothesis to explain the phenomena. iii. Use of the hypothesis to
predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict
quantitatively the results of new observations. iv. Performance of
experimental tests of the predictions by several independent
experimenters and properly performed experiments."

(Obviously you are not a scientist)

So, are you absolutely sure of you're idea of a "human free" habitat? I
assume you're goal is to completely remove any human pressure from a
particular area? Amazing, by saying this, you are admitting that peds
create pressure. WHO ARE YOU to say what is acceptable pressure? Just
because you don't enjoy mountain-biking?

pn (MS Environmental Engineering, BA Zoology)



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