Lorry drivers trained on bikes in bid to cut cycling deaths in London

More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital have been
given cycling training as part of a new initiative to help combat deaths
on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has put 1,650
of its drivers through a day of training to give them a perspective of
what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html

On 23/12/2016 09:41, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 8:43 AM, Bod wrote:
More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital have been
given cycling training as part of a new initiative to help combat deaths
on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has put 1,650
of its drivers through a day of training to give them a perspective of
what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html



Great idea, now lets do it the other way round, cyclists given a truck
drivers POV.

The onlt time I have seen this is outside Waterloo station.
A HGV(LGV) was parked up with a mat surrounding it marking blind spots,
cycles were parked on the blind spots. Cyclists were invited to climb
into the cab to check visibility.
Many were shocked at the results and would probably take more care in
future.

I'd thought it was as simple as 'if you can't see the mirrors or the
driver, they can't see you'?


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On 23-Dec-16 12:34 PM, RJH wrote:
On 23/12/2016 09:41, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 8:43 AM, Bod wrote:
More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital have been
given cycling training as part of a new initiative to help combat deaths
on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has put 1,650
of its drivers through a day of training to give them a perspective of
what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html




Great idea, now lets do it the other way round, cyclists given a truck
drivers POV.

The onlt time I have seen this is outside Waterloo station.
A HGV(LGV) was parked up with a mat surrounding it marking blind spots,
cycles were parked on the blind spots. Cyclists were invited to climb
into the cab to check visibility.
Many were shocked at the results and would probably take more care in
future.

I'd thought it was as simple as 'if you can't see the mirrors or the
driver, they can't see you'?



It's a bit more than that.
I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of a truck that was broadcasting
"this vehicle is turning left"


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On 23/12/2016 14:22, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 12:34 PM, RJH wrote:
On 23/12/2016 09:41, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 8:43 AM, Bod wrote:
More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital have been
given cycling training as part of a new initiative to help combat
deaths
on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has put 1,650
of its drivers through a day of training to give them a perspective of
what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html





Great idea, now lets do it the other way round, cyclists given a truck
drivers POV.

The onlt time I have seen this is outside Waterloo station.
A HGV(LGV) was parked up with a mat surrounding it marking blind spots,
cycles were parked on the blind spots. Cyclists were invited to climb
into the cab to check visibility.
Many were shocked at the results and would probably take more care in
future.

I'd thought it was as simple as 'if you can't see the mirrors or the
driver, they can't see you'?



It's a bit more than that.
I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of a truck that was broadcasting
"this vehicle is turning left"


Yes and as a cyclist I have stopped at a side road to let a right
turning van cross in front of me ( I considered it safer to do so) and a
lorry has come from behind me swung around and turned left.

Lorries, particularly tipper truck short wheel base, appear to have a
extraordinary high percentage of dangerous antisocial thugs as drivers.

On Friday, 23 December 2016 14:22:47 UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:

I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of a truck that was broadcasting
"this vehicle is turning left"

Same here - it was me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5acTuJm58zg

On 23/12/16 14:22, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 12:34 PM, RJH wrote:
On 23/12/2016 09:41, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 8:43 AM, Bod wrote:
More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital
have been given cycling training as part of a new initiative to
help combat deaths on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has
put 1,650 of its drivers through a day of training to give them
a perspective of what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html




Great idea, now lets do it the other way round, cyclists given a truck
drivers POV.

The onlt time I have seen this is outside Waterloo station. A
HGV(LGV) was parked up with a mat surrounding it marking blind
spots, cycles were parked on the blind spots. Cyclists were
invited to climb into the cab to check visibility. Many were
shocked at the results and would probably take more care in
future.

I'd thought it was as simple as 'if you can't see the mirrors or
the driver, they can't see you'?



It's a bit more than that. I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of
a truck that was broadcasting "this vehicle is turning left"

OK, so the driver would have been announcing an intention to turn
sometime in the future. How far away was this future and was the span
unpredictable?

On 23-Dec-16 3:32 PM, Simon Mason wrote:
On Friday, 23 December 2016 14:22:47 UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:

I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of a truck that was broadcasting
"this vehicle is turning left"

Same here - it was me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5acTuJm58zg


Cycling on wrong side of road against oncoming traffic
Cycling on left of left turning vehicle
Cycling over stop line.



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On 23/12/2016 16:02, TMS320 wrote:
On 23/12/16 14:22, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 12:34 PM, RJH wrote:
On 23/12/2016 09:41, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 23-Dec-16 8:43 AM, Bod wrote:
More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital
have been given cycling training as part of a new initiative to
help combat deaths on London roads.

Travis Perkins, the largest builders’ merchant in the UK, has
put 1,650 of its drivers through a day of training to give them
a perspective of what it is like as a cyclist in London.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...-a3427141.html





Great idea, now lets do it the other way round, cyclists given a truck
drivers POV.

The onlt time I have seen this is outside Waterloo station. A
HGV(LGV) was parked up with a mat surrounding it marking blind
spots, cycles were parked on the blind spots. Cyclists were
invited to climb into the cab to check visibility. Many were
shocked at the results and would probably take more care in
future.

I'd thought it was as simple as 'if you can't see the mirrors or
the driver, they can't see you'?



It's a bit more than that. I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of
a truck that was broadcasting "this vehicle is turning left"

OK, so the driver would have been announcing an intention to turn
sometime in the future. How far away was this future and was the span
unpredictable?

Does it matter? When the consequence may be death.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:43:33 +0000, Bod wrote:

More than 1,500 lorry and van drivers working in the capital have been
given cycling training as part of a new initiative to help combat deaths
on London roads.


I hope the next step is to give 1,500 cyclists training on using the roads, and
what traffic lights mean.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:32:28 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Friday, 23 December 2016 14:22:47 UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:

I've seen cyclists cycling up the left of a truck that was broadcasting
"this vehicle is turning left"

Same here - it was me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5acTuJm58zg


Haven't looked at the video - was that the time you tried to top yourself (and
failed)