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Old August 8th 19, 01:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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Default Handebar broke off - nasty cash

On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 08:05:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-06 16:20, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it.


However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than
permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best
but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack
leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all
fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My
Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the
audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn
about that level of quality.

I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500
lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles
built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle.


That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed
a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood,
and has, many times.

A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much
effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube
before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz?

Yes, they could do better.


You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that
"proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an
auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of
firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos.



It is in many areas around where I live.


... But I owned a MG that
could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no
firewood at all.


Not a very useful car for El Dorado County but it all depends on your
lifestyle. I you stay on paved roads and do not need to haul firewood a
MG Sports is fun. A neighbor has one. Visiting friends of ours on dirt
roads, not so much. That requires a high ground clearance vehicle or an MTB.


You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of
barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both
himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding
shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking
ramp.


I do not ride on parking ramps. I ride on trails a lot.


It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a
bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you
start talking about tons of wood.



sigh

A bicycle carries _one_ rider (or a tandem two) and a modest amount of
luggage. Therefore, when a good bicycle costs $2k I expect it to be of
similar quality as mu SUV which has cost me $18k and can haul more than
10x the weight in terms of payload.


You certainly don't make much sense. Your "cheap" bike should be as
marvelous as your $24,000 auto? Simply more proof that you are
slanting your selections to prove your point.

For example, you want to own a "sedan" that can haul a half ton of
wood, and you seem to think that all your neighbors select this sort
of vehicle as a standard.

Ridiculous. People that want to haul tons of firewood select trucks to
haul it. I might point out that I, or according to my wife "we" own a
sort of SUV thing that probably haul a half ton of cargo, but would my
wife allow that sort of bizarre business? Nope, she'd say Don't use my
car to haul wood, use your truck and in terms of maximum cargo that
the truck is capable of carrying, we are likely talking about tons of
cargo, not a paltry 1/2 ton.

So based on your specification of carrying firewood my second hand
pickup is a far better selection that your $24,000 firewood hauler.
--

Cheers,

John B.
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  #72  
Old August 8th 19, 01:49 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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Default Crashing and Aging

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 5:02:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 8:44:51 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/7/2019 2:09 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 5:28:50 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:

So my helmet isn't wrecked by the impact-dent?

Separate question. That helmet is actually pretty old, being on its third bike. Is there a natural raging process (embrittling?) of helmet materials that requires helmets to be replaced after x time?

Andre Jute

And impact dent ix fatal to any possible protection from a helmet Styrofoam compressed is useless. It is USED to prevent fractures of the skull and being without any cushioning anywhere at all in the helmet renders it worthless.

Yes, there is embrittlement with aging of the Styrofoam but it is a LONG process.

I bought a Chinese helmet for $23 off of Ebay and it is the best fitting helmet I ever had.

I don't care about the money. But I like the helmet, a Bell Citi, designed for cyclists who sit upright, with bars higher than the seat, and Bell no longer makes it. The Citi is a super helmet with a visor, and a channel in which you can attach proprietary mirror, bug screens on its many, many vents, super fit, etc. I shoulda bought a couple of spares while they were still current production.

Thanks for the info, Tom.

Andre Jute
Correct fit is the most important feature of every component on a bicycle -- and its rider


This style was the inspiration for Citi:
https://centralsports.ie/Equestrian-Helmets-46/

Note: local vendor for you!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


It's not a bad idea, and my local equestrian store, from whom I buy the neatsfoot oil I use on my leather saddles and grips, stocks either the same or very similar helmets. But 444 grammes? And only 3 forward-facing vents?

One looks at these equestrian helmets and start to understand why a cyclist's helmet is a specialist item.

Now do something really useful and tell me you have some NOS Citi in stock in a choice of colours.


https://nutcasehelmets.com/?gclid=EA... AEgL4nfD_BwE Direct from Portlandtifa. This is the one for you: https://nutcasehelmets.com/products/...iant=511466341

-- Jay Beattie.


  #73  
Old August 8th 19, 02:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default Handebar broke off - nasty cash

On 8/7/2019 7:38 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 08:05:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-06 16:20, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:49:44 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-06 00:55, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:55:13 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote:

[...]


Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to it.


However, one should seek the more permanent stuff versus the less than
permanent stuff. It's like with cars. Japanese ones are among the best
but even they break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack
leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940 later it's all
fixed. At least it didn't fail on the road, just very gradually. My
Mitsubishi is 22 years and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the
audacity to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would learn
about that level of quality.

I see a 2020 Mitsubishi Eclipse, weighing in the neighborhood of 3500
lbs.and costing US$ 24,085. I suggest that anyone selling bicycles
built to those standards probably make a "live for ever" bicycle.


That Mitsubishi can comfortably carry four people, baggae and if needed
a small trailer. Mine (Montero Sport) can carry half a ton of firewood,
and has, many times.

A bicycle only needs to carry ne rider and modest baggage. How much
effort and weight would it have taken to coat the steel stiffener tube
before pressing it in? 0.01oz? 0.02oz?

Yes, they could do better.

You are defining the needs of autos and bicycles in a manner that
"proves" your points and is wholly false. You appear to claim that an
auto is capable of carrying 4 people and baggage and a half ton of
firewood and thus is a "standard" for autos.



It is in many areas around where I live.


... But I owned a MG that
could carry two passengers and a tiny amount of luggage and no
firewood at all.


Not a very useful car for El Dorado County but it all depends on your
lifestyle. I you stay on paved roads and do not need to haul firewood a
MG Sports is fun. A neighbor has one. Visiting friends of ours on dirt
roads, not so much. That requires a high ground clearance vehicle or an MTB.


You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of
barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both
himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding
shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking
ramp.


I do not ride on parking ramps. I ride on trails a lot.


It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a
bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you
start talking about tons of wood.



sigh

A bicycle carries _one_ rider (or a tandem two) and a modest amount of
luggage. Therefore, when a good bicycle costs $2k I expect it to be of
similar quality as mu SUV which has cost me $18k and can haul more than
10x the weight in terms of payload.


You certainly don't make much sense. Your "cheap" bike should be as
marvelous as your $24,000 auto? Simply more proof that you are
slanting your selections to prove your point.

For example, you want to own a "sedan" that can haul a half ton of
wood, and you seem to think that all your neighbors select this sort
of vehicle as a standard.

Ridiculous. People that want to haul tons of firewood select trucks to
haul it. I might point out that I, or according to my wife "we" own a
sort of SUV thing that probably haul a half ton of cargo, but would my
wife allow that sort of bizarre business? Nope, she'd say Don't use my
car to haul wood, use your truck and in terms of maximum cargo that
the truck is capable of carrying, we are likely talking about tons of
cargo, not a paltry 1/2 ton.

So based on your specification of carrying firewood my second hand
pickup is a far better selection that your $24,000 firewood hauler.
--

Cheers,

John B.


That's just crazy talk, like trying to explain that you
can't put a cargo rack on a race bike, a conversation I've
engaged once or twice myself. Reason is no match in that
case either.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #74  
Old August 8th 19, 03:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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Default Handebar broke off - nasty cash

On 2019-08-07 18:24, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/7/2019 7:38 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 08:05:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-08-06 16:20, John B. Slocomb wrote:


[...]


You say that a bicycle carries the rider and a modest amount of
barrage yet Frank frequently mentions his bicycle that carries both
himself and his wife and when I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding
shop built "a bicycle built for 5" and test rode it on the parking
ramp.


I do not ride on parking ramps. I ride on trails a lot.


It hardly seems logical to compare a $24,000, 3.500 lb behemoth with a
bicycle but you do it all the time and than when someone argues you
start talking about tons of wood.


sigh

A bicycle carries _one_ rider (or a tandem two) and a modest amount of
luggage. Therefore, when a good bicycle costs $2k I expect it to be of
similar quality as mu SUV which has cost me $18k and can haul more than
10x the weight in terms of payload.


You certainly don't make much sense. Your "cheap" bike should be as
marvelous as your $24,000 auto? Simply more proof that you are
slanting your selections to prove your point.


As I said, the vehicle did not cost $24k. Secondly, do you not
understand how to _scale_ stuff? Car, five people. Bicycle, one person.
And so on.


For example, you want to own a "sedan" that can haul a half ton of
wood, and you seem to think that all your neighbors select this sort
of vehicle as a standard.


I had one of those, an Audi 100 station wagon. I bought it exactly for
that reason, because I often had to schlepp heavy lab equipment. Best of
all, it could do so at well north of 100mph (German autobahn) and
despite being a 1987 model with better fuel economy than my current 1997
Mitsubishi SUV.


Ridiculous. People that want to haul tons of firewood select trucks to
haul it.



No. Not if they need a multi-purpose vehicle.


... I might point out that I, or according to my wife "we" own a
sort of SUV thing that probably haul a half ton of cargo, but would my
wife allow that sort of bizarre business? Nope, she'd say Don't use my
car to haul wood, use your truck and in terms of maximum cargo that
the truck is capable of carrying, we are likely talking about tons of
cargo, not a paltry 1/2 ton.


What kind of truck do you have? 1-ton is the max for the really big
pickup trucks, most are 3/4-ton or 1/2-ton.


So based on your specification of carrying firewood my second hand
pickup is a far better selection that your $24,000 firewood hauler.



I seriously doubt that. I need a multi-purpose vehicle, just as I need
my bikes to be multi-purpose. Leisure rides as well as utility rides. I
have transported many heavy tube-type color TV sets on a bicycle when I
was young.


--

Cheers,

John B.


That's just crazy talk, like trying to explain that you can't put a
cargo rack on a race bike, a conversation I've engaged once or twice
myself. Reason is no match in that case either.


Exactly. I would never buy a bicycle with a frame that doesn't have
threaded eyelets or at least enough tube wall thickness and strength to
accept home-made rack clamps. The rack was my very first addition
immediately after riding home with my new road bike in 1982. The dealer
could not believe it, to him that was like mounting a trailer hitch to a
Porsche 911. A bicycle without a baggage rack isn't very useful to me.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old August 8th 19, 03:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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Default Handebar broke off - nasty cash

On 2019-08-07 12:11, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 11:43:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-07 08:07, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-06 12:32, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 2:54:58 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-06 07:55, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 10:45:23 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-05 16:28, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-08-05 15:10, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 4:55:14 PM UTC-4, Joerg
wrote:
On 2019-08-05 13:36, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 1:03:30 PM UTC-7,
jbeattie wrote:

Yes and no. I've broken steel pedal spindles
catastrophically. Spokes go all at once. Steel
fasteners snap -- axles, too. Lots of steel things
will snap, including bars after enough high energy
fatigue cycles.

-- Jay Beattie.


Cast steel will fail suddenly but with any kind of
pipe structure that's rare.


I broke a Look steel pedal spindle on a couple of
occasions. Had steel saddle rails break off and
steel spokes break in one swell foop. I have seen
steel bicycle frames fail suddenly and steel bars
suddenly bend upon hitting a pothole.


A pothole can be like an accident, like hitting an
object.


Nothing is permanent in this world so I got used to
it.


However, one should seek the more permanent stuff
versus the less than permanent stuff. It's like with
cars. Japanese ones are among the best but even they
break down. My wife's Toyota developed a steering rack
leak afer 23 years. Unbelievable. Only 23 years. $940
later it's all fixed. At least it didn't fail on the
road, just very gradually. My Mitsubishi is 22 years
and, nada. Not even a dome light has had the audacity
to burn out. I sure wish bicycle manufacturers would
learn about that level of quality.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Maybe you should use the tires and other components
these guys use?


Well, I do have an MTB steel handlebar on the road bike
now. Also MTB pedals (for years).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IFoSKTl1Y

I'm sure the trails in your area are not as knarly as
whatthese guys are riding over.


That's steep but not gnarly at all. Gnarly to me means full
of ruts, big rocks and stuff. Things where you can get
really hurt in a crash. Here is one of our trails and that
is gnarly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38JzV-ueXI

People have died on that one. Went off the cliff edge
which doesn't look dangerous but the grease brush doesn't
hold anyhting and afterwards it's an almost vertical fall
(onto rocks).

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Did you watch the ENTIRE video?


Yes.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Well then you must have seen them riding over rock strewn
sections of trails, jumping over some sections and landing on
rocks and doing all that whilst riding a high rate of speed.
Looking at the two videos your clip does NOT compare at all to
the route those guys took in the video I posted the link to.


Here we disagree.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Try watching this one. It's the same race. 4:32, 5:30, 5:54, 6:10+,
7:00, 7:28, 9:46+, 10:10, 11:05, 11:22, 13:20, 13:38+, 13:55, 19:15 -
19:25+, and so on. Plus they're riding that course at speed not just
picking their way through it.

I wonder how the tires and the rest of the bikes make it through such
a punishing course.


Please post the link you are referring to. Of course there will be more
gnarly tracks in other areas of the world but 4:32min in your original
link looks like a smooth access road.

On the Darrington Trail (my link) some folks blow through the downhill
sections like crazy. I had the chain slap too much and come off on one,
stopped to fix it several feet to the side of the trail, and a guy
literally flew by and rather close to me. He was completely airborne,
insane. I don't ride like that.

These trails are hard on the bike and it is prudent to carry a full tool
kit. Stuff comes loose all the time. Sometimes the tires don't hold up.
I've had a blow-out where a large chunk of rubber went awol and I had to
hike-a-bike for six miles.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pltY5vS-aOY


After 30:00min it has some "gnarl" to it but not more than our
Darrington Trail or the route Lotus-Folsom (South Fork Trail). _This_ is
what I'd call gnarly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFjK_3i-NHQ

Kind of typical of the ski resort trails around here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SvgfpXTr4I Ouch.


That is my definition of a gnarly trail. Also an excellent demonstration
why a helmet is a good safety device.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
 




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