Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

Pat wrote:
The market will prevail.

There, in one very short sentence, is the whole problem.

It will not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

T

"flyingman - 02 April 2008 06:09 PM
Pet peeves, are the a**holes talking on the cel going 10 miles/hour
slower than the speed limit, in the left lane on the highway. As far
as I'm concerned, once I see someone talking on a cel and driving,
they just lost all rights to any courtesy whatsoever."


To me, it's just another sign of Banana Republic. Few civilized
countries out there would allow such dangerous behavior to go
unchecked. See what the UK is doing...

(I guess NY residents are not that lucky)

Drivers face new phone penalties

Motorists who are caught using a hand-held mobile phone while driving
will have three penalty points added to their licence, the government
says.

Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander said the maximum fine would also
double to £60 from 27 February.

He added that it was "impossible to do two things at once" and that
using a mobile while driving was dangerous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6287005.stm

OK, I just had it with all those idiots behind the cell phone. I'm
launching...

MAD Against Cell Phone Idiots

We all know that they are more dangerous than drunk drivers, and yet
they parade their sin with pride.

By the way, why is it that in America we are proud of our sins? I've
always wondered about that whenever I see so many SUVs and motorboats
out there...

WHO WANTS TO SIT IN THE ORGANIZATION?

Jack May schrieb:
"Papa Tom" wrote in message
...
I'm not one who believes "resistance" will ever work.

There's something about bicyclists that people just don't like. Perhaps
it's just jealousy. When the road was ruled by horse-drawn wagons, they
cursed at us and threw sticks at our spokes because we were moving too
fast. Now they do the same thing because we move too slowly.

Perhaps when gas is $10 a gallon, drivers will start to see us in a
different light. Right now, keep your trike off the road - or face having
to pry it out of the grill of some jerk's Hummer.

Will never happen becaue there are too many possible alternative energy
sources that will become available at much less than $10 per equivalent
gallon of gas.



Recently, I visited an exhibition organized by the VCD (German Traffic
Club, a traffic club focussing on ecological issues) in the German
Technical Museum in Berlin. It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
call traffic ...

ComandanteBanana schrieb:
On Apr 1, 5:37 pm, Jens Müller wrote:
ComandanteBanana schrieb:

Bicycle parking facilities? Well, that might be the case. Facilities for
moving bicycle traffic? Here, there are much too many of them ...
Nice. Most of the nation lacks those facilities.
No, not nice. They are actually causing completely real deaths of people.

What is causing their deaths, the bike facilities?

Well, the concept of separation is causing them. The problem persists on
bike lanes (strict separation) and so-called "protection stripes"
(non-compulsory separation).

What is the English translation of "Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn"?

Jens Müller wrote:
It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
call traffic ...

it's not just about mobility though. How would the world look without
oil-derived plastics? Although there are probably enough plastics as it is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7312777.stm

Still, it's easier to think "they" will sort this with a technology
solution and the world will move from one paradigm to the next in a
seamless transition. If this were indeed the case there should be more
of this new tech in use now, large scale. These tech solutions will take
time to come on stream in the sort of quantites required, meanwhile we
already have oil wars, petrol prices through the roof, food prices up
40% in the last twelve months and cities loosing electricity.. there
will be no rapture route out of this corner.

T

On Apr 3, 5:37 pm, Jens Müller wrote:

What is the English translation of "Aus den Augen, aus dem Sinn"?

Out of sight, out of mind.

--
Dave...

On Apr 3, 3:40*am, Tony B wrote:
Pat wrote:
*The market will prevail.

There, in one very short sentence, is the whole problem.

It will not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

T

Yes the market will prevail.

Here's the problem. You think you (and others) have some God-given
right to oil. Maybe even a right to cheap oil. You think of it as
something that is owned in common, hence the example you cite.

But nothing could be farther from the truth. Oil isn't commonly owned
and the example cited in the link, re a commonly owned pasture is not
at all similar to oil. Oil is owned by a few major suppliers -- an
oligarchy if you will -- who control the supply. After that, it's
supply and demand. Cut back the supply and the price goes up. I
would guess the demand is pretty inelastic in the short term by highly
elastic in the long term.

If you want a farming analogy, it would be a farmer who owns a gravel
pit. The farmer knows that there is a limited supply of gravel. He
also knows that the price will increase in the long run. He also
knows that he has kids in college and he needs to balance his
lifestyle now with the ability to pay for his kids to go to college
with his retirement needs.

On Mar 31, 12:00*pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
vehicle.

What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?

WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300
million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists
were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were
just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That
would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of
motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either
that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely
incompetent* homicidal maniacs.
Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

"Tony B" wrote in message
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Jens Müller wrote:
It's name was: "ReStart - Mobility without
oil" (roughly translated). And indeed, much of the stuff there was about
how to keep on as before, only without oil. Restart the insane show we
call traffic ...

it's not just about mobility though. How would the world look without
oil-derived plastics? Although there are probably enough plastics as it
is:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7312777.stm

Still, it's easier to think "they" will sort this with a technology
solution and the world will move from one paradigm to the next in a
seamless transition. If this were indeed the case there should be more of
this new tech in use now, large scale. These tech solutions will take time
to come on stream in the sort of quantites required, meanwhile we already
have oil wars, petrol prices through the roof, food prices up 40% in the
last twelve months and cities loosing electricity.. there will be no
rapture route out of this corner.

The economics has to be there or there will be no transition. Why should
it be seamless? Transition is difficult and takes lots of time and money.

For you to believe transition will not happen says that you believe there
are not people out there that want to get very rich by providing solutions
for people to keep going with an acceptable or better life style.

Highly unlikely that everybody just wants to stay poor and just sit around
as society self destructs.