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On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:54:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/23/2020 6:30 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:20:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:43:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:59:55 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:12:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Today in the Senate we heard Adam Schiff do what he does best -
lie. He did everything from straight out lying to misrepresentation
of things that others said by taking them completely out of
context. This was the Democrat Party in its finest hour.

I expect you could find a case of a Republican doing that but it is
unusual.

Still suffering from that irony deficiency, I see.

That is why the Democrats have been playing them like harps for the
last dozen years - the Republicans continue to bend over backwards
in the attempt to be reasonable and fair when the Democrats are
using it to be unreasonable and unfair. May God save the souls of
the Democrats because I will not. I thank God that he presented
President Trump at the correct time.

Oh my. Your sense of reality is so twisted and warped that it's
really quite astonishing.


well, with my twisted sense of reality why don't you tell me how long
Democrats have been in power in Chicago?

LOL! Ah, good old Richard J. Daley. He was so popular that people
voted for him three or four times in every election, and even dead
people voted for him. I was in high school when he died and when I left
to go to college stopped paying any attention to Chicago politics. I
don't even know if there's been a Republican mayor there in the past 45
years. If I recall correctly, Daley was succeeded by Harold Washington-
who was black- and whites fled to the suburbs in droves. Who was next-
Michael Bilandic or something like that? Wasn't he the guy who got
voted out because of utter incompetence in managing snowplowing after a
major storm (I recall the city not being able to afford fuel or
something like that).

Traditionally the mayor of Chicago has way more political clout than the
governor of Illinois. Speaking of which, Illinois has a spectacular
record of putting former governors in jail- four of the last seven or
something like that! Two Democrats and two Republicans. Not bad for a
state that practically has junk bond status...

"Mayor" Curley, of Boston, won an election while incarcerated for a
fraud conviction and serving a term in prison. In a later case he was
elected mayor while under federal indictment for mail fraud, winning
with 45% of the vote. He was convicted and served 5 months in prison
and when release was met by "a crowd of thousands greeted Curley upon
his return to Boston, with a brass band playing "Hail to the Chief".

In our area, it was former sheriff and congressman Jim Traficant. As
sheriff he beat one prosecution by claiming the bribes he took were
necessary for an undercover sting. But after many "colorful" years on
congress, he was convicted of other bribes, etc. and was sent to prison.
The House of Representatives kicked him out, saying he couldn't
simultaneously be in prison and in congress. (Who says they don't have
standards?)

Traficant ran for reelection from prison and got a decent but
insufficient number of votes. But when he was released, many treated him
as a hero. (I was not among them.)

Curley, was of course Irish and Boston is/was full of Irishmen. His
first prison term was for taking a civil service test for someone else
so they could get a government job and as an elected official did all
kinds of good things for the city. Rather reminiscent of Huey Long,
which rather surprisingly resulted in him living a luxurious house in
Jamaica Plain, "which was plainly beyond the means of a typical civil
servant's salary"
--
cheers,

John B.

On 1/23/2020 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:15:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/23/2020 6:47 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:04:18 UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 23:43:46 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:08:46 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:25:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:06:06 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:04:05 PM UTC-8, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Murder by cop. Not at all infrequent.

Fixed that for you.

The fact that you don't like cops doesn't change in the least that
people directly with police guns trained on them will make
threatening moves purposely having themselves killed. Whether you
like cops or not that is not murder.

Would it be murder if it was a police officer with gang member guns
trained on him, who then made a move perceived as threatening and got
shot? You bet it would. Prosecuted, signed, sealed, delivered to
jail. Most people wouldn't ask any questions (at least most people
who are white and middle class).

Cops get a pass on shooting people unnecessarily. The "fog of war,"
needing to make a "split second decision," "warrior" training, etc.,
etc. Not sure what the threat is when it's a kid who's unarmed, 50
feet away and facing away from the cop. Or when it's a black guy
seated in his car who lawfully informs the officer that he has a
conceal and carry permit and is armed, but is shot multiple times
within 30 seconds of that (with the victim's wife and child in the
car). Or when a woman calls the police about a neighborhood
disturbance that sounds like a person being harmed and is shot and
killed when she approaches the police car that responded to her call.
Or when it's a cop who tells his partner he's going to shoot and kill
the guy as they drive up in their cruiser, caught on the dash cam, and
then does so *and* plants a gun to implicate the victim as the cause
of the shooting.

I guess those are acceptable losses in an increasingly totalitarian
America.

Well, of course, the answer is to disarm the police.

No. It might work in London (are bobbies still unarmed?) but America is
one of the most violent societies on the planet, except for those
engaged in actual war.

Disarming seems unwise and too "one size fits all." Better training
including resources to understand and cope with problems like mental
illness in the community they serve would be a better choice. Learn to
ask questions before shooting. In our area there are social workers
paired with police officers for calls where the suspect is known to be
or is thought likely to be mentally ill. This seems to have reduced
these incidents, although it's early days and whether or not the program
works and is sustainable is yet to be seen, but it's promising.

I was replying to the guy that highlighted all the "murders by cop".
Simply taking away the cop's guns will solve his problems...
As he didn't mention any other problems either did I.
But of course as soon as the police lose their guns crime will
increase and than he'll be complaining about that.

Some folks ain't never happy :-)

Back in the day the police walked a beat and the cop knew all about
who should be there and what they should be doing and everybody knew
him. I suspect that law enforcement was a totally different thing then
today where the average citizen's only contact with the police is
seeing them ride by in their "cruiser".
--
cheers,

John B.

I had a friend who was a sergeant in the Toronto, Canada police force. He said that one of the biggest mistakes in policing was getting rid of the beat officers. He said that often beat officers could intercede and prevent someone from doing a crime because the beat officer would know the person and could often tell when something was bothering them enough that turning to crime seemed to be their only option.

One of my best friends is a former beat cop and (just retired) professor
of criminal justice. He tends to agree with you. A cop on beat can be
perceived as a fellow human just doing his job, someone you can talk to.
A cop in a car is remote and anonymous. He may be subject to the same
psychology that makes civilians in cars feel anonymous and aggressive.

My friend has told stories about his experiences subduing aggressive
guys on the street and marching them back to the station for booking,
using only manual holds to control them.

But that was long enough ago that he could be reasonably sure the perp
wasn't going to try to shoot him.

Sure, my uncle was a deputy sheriff. Back in those days off duty
police and sheriff's deputies would often work part time at the public
dances that used to be popular in New England - "barn dances :-)
Several hundred at the dance including a large number of the town's
ne'er-do-wells and one or two cops keep the peace?

Well, yes.... but. If you gave a cop a hard time he slapped you up
side of the head with his night-stick, hand cuffed you and threw you
in the car. When the dance was over he'd drive you down to the jail
and lock you up and the next morning the judge would convict you of
"drunk and disorderly" and you'd get fined.

Today, if a cop hits anyone he is the subject of a departmental
investigation and "trial" to see whether he denied anyone "his
rights".


Having been on the 'educational' side of a mahogany shampoo
twice, I heartily agree, It was much more effective.

(smarter fellow might have learned at one...)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2020 6:17 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:07:44 -0800 (PST), Chalo
wrote:

John B. wrote:

But of course as soon as the police lose their guns crime will
increase
and than he'll be complaining about that.

Places where cops don't usually have guns exhibit much lower crime rates than places where they do. Of course, those places also have sane ideas about permitting real people to have guns in public, not just cops.

Sort of like England, you mean?



Name your poison:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-epidemic.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2020 6:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:03:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/22/2020 11:43 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:08:46 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:25:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:06:06 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:04:05 PM UTC-8, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Murder by cop. Not at all infrequent.

Fixed that for you.

The fact that you don't like cops doesn't change in the least that
people directly with police guns trained on them will make
threatening moves purposely having themselves killed. Whether you
like cops or not that is not murder.

Would it be murder if it was a police officer with gang member guns
trained on him, who then made a move perceived as threatening and got
shot? You bet it would. Prosecuted, signed, sealed, delivered to
jail. Most people wouldn't ask any questions (at least most people
who are white and middle class).

Cops get a pass on shooting people unnecessarily. The "fog of war,"
needing to make a "split second decision," "warrior" training, etc.,
etc. Not sure what the threat is when it's a kid who's unarmed, 50
feet away and facing away from the cop. Or when it's a black guy
seated in his car who lawfully informs the officer that he has a
conceal and carry permit and is armed, but is shot multiple times
within 30 seconds of that (with the victim's wife and child in the
car). Or when a woman calls the police about a neighborhood
disturbance that sounds like a person being harmed and is shot and
killed when she approaches the police car that responded to her call.
Or when it's a cop who tells his partner he's going to shoot and kill
the guy as they drive up in their cruiser, caught on the dash cam, and
then does so *and* plants a gun to implicate the victim as the cause
of the shooting.

I guess those are acceptable losses in an increasingly totalitarian
America.

Well, of course, the answer is to disarm the police.

No. It might work in London (are bobbies still unarmed?) but America is
one of the most violent societies on the planet, except for those
engaged in actual war.

Disarming seems unwise and too "one size fits all." Better training
including resources to understand and cope with problems like mental
illness in the community they serve would be a better choice. Learn to
ask questions before shooting. In our area there are social workers
paired with police officers for calls where the suspect is known to be
or is thought likely to be mentally ill. This seems to have reduced
these incidents, although it's early days and whether or not the program
works and is sustainable is yet to be seen, but it's promising.



"America is one of the most violent societies on the planet"

Your premise is greatly overstated. US rate is lower than
Greenland for example:
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...RC.P5/rankings

But higher then 68% of the world's nations :-)

Typical of highly diverse societies, especially large nations.

Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few
thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise
homogenous nation:

https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-45269764


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2020 6:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/23/2020 6:30 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:20:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:43:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:59:55 PM UTC-8, Tim
McNamara
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:12:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Today in the Senate we heard Adam Schiff do what he
does best -
lie. He did everything from straight out lying to
misrepresentation
of things that others said by taking them completely
out of
context. This was the Democrat Party in its finest hour.

I expect you could find a case of a Republican doing
that but it is
unusual.

Still suffering from that irony deficiency, I see.

That is why the Democrats have been playing them like
harps for the
last dozen years - the Republicans continue to bend
over backwards
in the attempt to be reasonable and fair when the
Democrats are
using it to be unreasonable and unfair. May God save
the souls of
the Democrats because I will not. I thank God that he
presented
President Trump at the correct time.

Oh my. Your sense of reality is so twisted and warped
that it's
really quite astonishing.


well, with my twisted sense of reality why don't you
tell me how long
Democrats have been in power in Chicago?

LOL! Ah, good old Richard J. Daley. He was so popular
that people
voted for him three or four times in every election, and
even dead
people voted for him. I was in high school when he died
and when I left
to go to college stopped paying any attention to Chicago
politics. I
don't even know if there's been a Republican mayor there
in the past 45
years. If I recall correctly, Daley was succeeded by
Harold Washington-
who was black- and whites fled to the suburbs in droves.
Who was next-
Michael Bilandic or something like that? Wasn't he the
guy who got
voted out because of utter incompetence in managing
snowplowing after a
major storm (I recall the city not being able to afford
fuel or
something like that).

Traditionally the mayor of Chicago has way more political
clout than the
governor of Illinois. Speaking of which, Illinois has a
spectacular
record of putting former governors in jail- four of the
last seven or
something like that! Two Democrats and two Republicans.
Not bad for a
state that practically has junk bond status...

"Mayor" Curley, of Boston, won an election while
incarcerated for a
fraud conviction and serving a term in prison. In a later
case he was
elected mayor while under federal indictment for mail
fraud, winning
with 45% of the vote. He was convicted and served 5 months
in prison
and when release was met by "a crowd of thousands greeted
Curley upon
his return to Boston, with a brass band playing "Hail to
the Chief".

In our area, it was former sheriff and congressman Jim
Traficant. As sheriff he beat one prosecution by claiming
the bribes he took were necessary for an undercover sting.
But after many "colorful" years on congress, he was
convicted of other bribes, etc. and was sent to prison. The
House of Representatives kicked him out, saying he couldn't
simultaneously be in prison and in congress. (Who says they
don't have standards?)

Traficant ran for reelection from prison and got a decent
but insufficient number of votes. But when he was released,
many treated him as a hero. (I was not among them.)



Not to defend Traficante or Curley, but there's a well known
precedent:

https://history.house.gov/Historical...-and-Kentucky/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:41:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/23/2020 4:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

Socialism promises to give people anything they need. It has never worked. Even once.

Well, it may depend how you define "socialism." There are quite a few
countries that right-wing Americans call "Socialist!!" but have
prosperous economies, less terrible poverty, less income disparity,
lower health care costs, generally better health care outcomes and on
average, more content citizens.

Even the socialized medical systems in Canada and England are absolutely horrible examples of what they were supposed to do. In Canada if you have a serious condition it is likely to have longer wait times for treatment than the expected lifespan of the victim.

I understand that waiting times are more of an issue in Canada. I have a
relative who's lived there since - ahem - the days of the Viet Nam war.

Years ago he complained mightily about the Canadian health care system.
His wife had cancer and was going to have to wait overly long, in his
view, for surgery. He was furious.

But she eventually got he surgery. Except for the wait, they had no
complaints about her treatment and care. Years later, she's still cancer
free. And their care cost far less than it would have in the U.S.

I think that's the general run of things with single payer health care.
I may have mentioned being in a three-way phone call between me, our
insurance company, a certain medical laboratory. The confusion about
paperwork for a very routine blood test was incredible, and it took
something like an hour on the phone to straighten it out.

My time was free (except for teeth gnashing), but the people on the
other phones were costing our health care system money. So in a
"socialist" single payer system, the savings in administrative costs
alone must be astronomical.

We have what is essentially socialized medicine here and certainly the
hospitals and clinics are extremely crowded. Far more crowded than the
"private hospitals". I ended up as a patient at one of the "government
hospitals" largely by accident and have continued on with the same
cardiologist since. He tells me that a significant number of general
medicine patients probably weren't actually sick enough to "go to the
hospital", and are probably there because it only costs 30 baht for a
visit - ~US$1.00, free if you are over 65 :-)

The same thing was noticeable in the service when if you had a runny
nose you went to "sick call".

As a non-citizen I have to pay at the government hospital but in one
case I went to a private hospital to have an incision in my chest
dressed - I had been going to the government hospital daily to have
the dressing changed and for some reason, which I've forgotten, went
to a private hospital for the same thing. The cost was almost, to the
penny, ten times what I paid at the government hospital.

Sort of along the same lines I recently read an article about China
now buying medicines by competitive bidding. One example was:
Bayer diabetes treatment Acarbose at US$0.0262 per pill.
which sells on the Internet for $1.33 to $0.61 per pill
https://www.pharmacychecker.com/acarbose/#!
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:53:25 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/23/2020 6:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/23/2020 6:30 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:20:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:43:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 9:59:55 PM UTC-8, Tim
McNamara
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:12:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Today in the Senate we heard Adam Schiff do what he
does best -
lie. He did everything from straight out lying to
misrepresentation
of things that others said by taking them completely
out of
context. This was the Democrat Party in its finest hour.

I expect you could find a case of a Republican doing
that but it is
unusual.

Still suffering from that irony deficiency, I see.

That is why the Democrats have been playing them like
harps for the
last dozen years - the Republicans continue to bend
over backwards
in the attempt to be reasonable and fair when the
Democrats are
using it to be unreasonable and unfair. May God save
the souls of
the Democrats because I will not. I thank God that he
presented
President Trump at the correct time.

Oh my. Your sense of reality is so twisted and warped
that it's
really quite astonishing.


well, with my twisted sense of reality why don't you
tell me how long
Democrats have been in power in Chicago?

LOL! Ah, good old Richard J. Daley. He was so popular
that people
voted for him three or four times in every election, and
even dead
people voted for him. I was in high school when he died
and when I left
to go to college stopped paying any attention to Chicago
politics. I
don't even know if there's been a Republican mayor there
in the past 45
years. If I recall correctly, Daley was succeeded by
Harold Washington-
who was black- and whites fled to the suburbs in droves.
Who was next-
Michael Bilandic or something like that? Wasn't he the
guy who got
voted out because of utter incompetence in managing
snowplowing after a
major storm (I recall the city not being able to afford
fuel or
something like that).

Traditionally the mayor of Chicago has way more political
clout than the
governor of Illinois. Speaking of which, Illinois has a
spectacular
record of putting former governors in jail- four of the
last seven or
something like that! Two Democrats and two Republicans.
Not bad for a
state that practically has junk bond status...

"Mayor" Curley, of Boston, won an election while
incarcerated for a
fraud conviction and serving a term in prison. In a later
case he was
elected mayor while under federal indictment for mail
fraud, winning
with 45% of the vote. He was convicted and served 5 months
in prison
and when release was met by "a crowd of thousands greeted
Curley upon
his return to Boston, with a brass band playing "Hail to
the Chief".

In our area, it was former sheriff and congressman Jim
Traficant. As sheriff he beat one prosecution by claiming
the bribes he took were necessary for an undercover sting.
But after many "colorful" years on congress, he was
convicted of other bribes, etc. and was sent to prison. The
House of Representatives kicked him out, saying he couldn't
simultaneously be in prison and in congress. (Who says they
don't have standards?)

Traficant ran for reelection from prison and got a decent
but insufficient number of votes. But when he was released,
many treated him as a hero. (I was not among them.)



Not to defend Traficante or Curley, but there's a well known
precedent:

https://history.house.gov/Historical...-and-Kentucky/

And:
On January 30, 1798, a hearing was held on whether or not to remove
William Blount of Tennessee from office. Matthew Lyon, a
Democratic-Republican congressman from Vermont, was ignoring Griswold
on purpose, because they were from opposite parties. This led to
Griswold calling Lyon a scoundrel to which Lyon retaliated by spitting
in Griswold's face. Two weeks later, after Lyon was not removed from
office for the spitting, Griswold attacked Lyon with his cane.

I'm not sure that we don't need more of this sort of thing. It would,
at the minimum, make the news a great deal more interesting to read
:-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:37:46 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 1/23/2020 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:15:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/23/2020 6:47 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:04:18 UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 23:43:46 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:08:46 +0700, John B
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:25:10 -0600, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:06:06 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 9:04:05 PM UTC-8, Chalo wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

Murder by cop. Not at all infrequent.

Fixed that for you.

The fact that you don't like cops doesn't change in the least that
people directly with police guns trained on them will make
threatening moves purposely having themselves killed. Whether you
like cops or not that is not murder.

Would it be murder if it was a police officer with gang member guns
trained on him, who then made a move perceived as threatening and got
shot? You bet it would. Prosecuted, signed, sealed, delivered to
jail. Most people wouldn't ask any questions (at least most people
who are white and middle class).

Cops get a pass on shooting people unnecessarily. The "fog of war,"
needing to make a "split second decision," "warrior" training, etc.,
etc. Not sure what the threat is when it's a kid who's unarmed, 50
feet away and facing away from the cop. Or when it's a black guy
seated in his car who lawfully informs the officer that he has a
conceal and carry permit and is armed, but is shot multiple times
within 30 seconds of that (with the victim's wife and child in the
car). Or when a woman calls the police about a neighborhood
disturbance that sounds like a person being harmed and is shot and
killed when she approaches the police car that responded to her call.
Or when it's a cop who tells his partner he's going to shoot and kill
the guy as they drive up in their cruiser, caught on the dash cam, and
then does so *and* plants a gun to implicate the victim as the cause
of the shooting.

I guess those are acceptable losses in an increasingly totalitarian
America.

Well, of course, the answer is to disarm the police.

No. It might work in London (are bobbies still unarmed?) but America is
one of the most violent societies on the planet, except for those
engaged in actual war.

Disarming seems unwise and too "one size fits all." Better training
including resources to understand and cope with problems like mental
illness in the community they serve would be a better choice. Learn to
ask questions before shooting. In our area there are social workers
paired with police officers for calls where the suspect is known to be
or is thought likely to be mentally ill. This seems to have reduced
these incidents, although it's early days and whether or not the program
works and is sustainable is yet to be seen, but it's promising.

I was replying to the guy that highlighted all the "murders by cop".
Simply taking away the cop's guns will solve his problems...
As he didn't mention any other problems either did I.
But of course as soon as the police lose their guns crime will
increase and than he'll be complaining about that.

Some folks ain't never happy :-)

Back in the day the police walked a beat and the cop knew all about
who should be there and what they should be doing and everybody knew
him. I suspect that law enforcement was a totally different thing then
today where the average citizen's only contact with the police is
seeing them ride by in their "cruiser".
--
cheers,

John B.

I had a friend who was a sergeant in the Toronto, Canada police force. He said that one of the biggest mistakes in policing was getting rid of the beat officers. He said that often beat officers could intercede and prevent someone from doing a crime because the beat officer would know the person and could often tell when something was bothering them enough that turning to crime seemed to be their only option.

One of my best friends is a former beat cop and (just retired) professor
of criminal justice. He tends to agree with you. A cop on beat can be
perceived as a fellow human just doing his job, someone you can talk to.
A cop in a car is remote and anonymous. He may be subject to the same
psychology that makes civilians in cars feel anonymous and aggressive.

My friend has told stories about his experiences subduing aggressive
guys on the street and marching them back to the station for booking,
using only manual holds to control them.

But that was long enough ago that he could be reasonably sure the perp
wasn't going to try to shoot him.

Sure, my uncle was a deputy sheriff. Back in those days off duty
police and sheriff's deputies would often work part time at the public
dances that used to be popular in New England - "barn dances :-)
Several hundred at the dance including a large number of the town's
ne'er-do-wells and one or two cops keep the peace?

Well, yes.... but. If you gave a cop a hard time he slapped you up
side of the head with his night-stick, hand cuffed you and threw you
in the car. When the dance was over he'd drive you down to the jail
and lock you up and the next morning the judge would convict you of
"drunk and disorderly" and you'd get fined.

Today, if a cop hits anyone he is the subject of a departmental
investigation and "trial" to see whether he denied anyone "his
rights".


Having been on the 'educational' side of a mahogany shampoo
twice, I heartily agree, It was much more effective.

(smarter fellow might have learned at one...)

I haven't been back to my old "home town" in years and years but
certainly way back then things seemed to be different. If you stole
something you were a thief, no talk about being culturally deprived.
If you made a public disturbance the police would put a stop to it, in
whatever manner. And, as I remember, even the evil doers didn't seem
to be astonished.

I remember one instance when a bunch of guys were sitting around and
one of the town's more colorful ne'er-do-wells came up looking sort of
battered and one of the guys says, "what happened to you" and the guy
says, "oh that damned (police officer) Jones hit me over the head at
the dance last Saturday night". "Damn Man! Why'd he do that?" "Oh, I
guess 'cause I ****ed on his shoe".
--
cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 17:43:27 -0800, jbeattie wrote:

Hmmm. Look at the debt numbers under the Democrats versus the
Republicans in similar economies over the last 40 years. Look at the
staggering Trump debt in a booming economy. Guess who will be stuck
with that -- likely a Democrat, just like after Reagan/Bush and Bush II.
Great leadership -- "apres moi le recession." Donald XV. Where are the
real Republicans -- not the bootlickers willing to ****-can core beliefs
for some moron serial bankrupt.

Works that way here as well. the conservatives run the economy into the
ground and the workers party doesthe hard work to make the changes to get
it to recover.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 07:12:03 +0700, John B. wrote:


Well, yes.... but. If you gave a cop a hard time he slapped you up side
of the head with his night-stick, hand cuffed you and threw you in the
car. When the dance was over he'd drive you down to the jail and lock
you up and the next morning the judge would convict you of "drunk and
disorderly" and you'd get fined.

Today, if a cop hits anyone he is the subject of a departmental
investigation and "trial" to see whether he denied anyone "his rights".

Sadly, that came about because a few of them during the former time did
and their mates didn't give them a good seeing to so it didn't happen
again.

It isn't just cops. There ihas been plenty of seasonal work in my past
where you come back to find similar very restrictive rules imposed on how
you worked. it aall boilded down to some arsehole in authority that went
on a mass power trip and caused serius impact on other people.