'Bents and Lower Abs???

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:09:04 GMT, wrote:

NYC XYZ wrote:

I think I read in one of the RCN back-issues that certain 'bents
naturally provide an abdominal workout! Anyone notice?? I can't
remember which design, though for some reason I'm thinking low-racer.

No such thing as "lower abs." At least in a human body.

The governments of the UK and Australia, at the very least, as well as
the American Council on Exercise, say you are wrong. The lower abs
are the abdominal muscles below the navel, and although they are not a
separate group from the upper abs, some exercises are known to produce
greater motion in the lower than upper range. As a result, they are
treated as a targetable group for exercise regimes.
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On 13 Mar 2006 08:21:42 -0800, "NYC XYZ"
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Peter Clinch wrote:


No personal experience, but since the designer has ridden one around the
Tour de France route in the wake of the official tour it looks like the
practicalities aren't too bad. Don't forget that most of a bike's
turning action comes from leaning it.


Right, but much more so with this machine, and much more often, and
probably rather harder, too...can you imagine nudging your hips or
thighs while rowing this thing, your whole torso stretching back and
forth?

I'd get one for the exercise benefits if it could also be practical
enough for urban terrain.

Beware of riding it in a litigious area. You'd get sued for causing
accidents by distracting people from their cell phone conversations.

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Peter Clinch wrote:


Why should it? they're in different planes.

Um, okay...next time you lean into a curve, try doing some ab crunches
and see what happens....

They do? I just, well, *lean*. And since my upper body is free, and my
lower body is restricted by being sat on the bike and powering it, I
generally do a fair bit of the leaning upstairs, or so ISTM.

Okay, so it seems to you, fine. Just wondering how on *this* bike, the
Thys row-bike, it all might be different.

The limiting case here is the unicycle, where I can /assure/ you upper
body movement plays a significant role!

But the issue isn't upper-body versus lower-body.

Why? If I lean down onto the bars on a DF as I'm going round a corner,
or sit more upright, that doesn't require me to consciously modify the
lean. There may well be more work to do in total, but I doubt it's of
the thinking variety, rather than just doing.

You're bringing in the "thinking variety" yourself, not me. You seem
to go off on digressions and then imagine it's me that's brought them
up and had the problem!

But if the imagination is wrong, it isn't really an insight...

Non sequitor. But I'm sick of debating straw-man arguments with you,
with all due respect.

Furthermore, I haven't ridden a Thys, so I'm using my imagination to
come up with answers here. Though it appears they tie in with the
experience of folk that do ride them, since I've yet to hear any
comments on the lines of "they're very hard to steer!".

Yes...I think I'll just let you debate yourself on this, now. =)

Pete.
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Werehatrack wrote:


Beware of riding it in a litigious area. You'd get sued for causing
accidents by distracting people from their cell phone conversations.

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Peter Clinch wrote:

snip

No "nudging of thighs" to be done to lean a bike into a turn, or that
I've ever noticed, so no need to imagine it. I think your imagination
is a bit too active for your own good sometimes, as it seems to throw up
all sorts of problems that aren't there!

Throw up is right. I've never thought about this before... when your
nose runs on a regular bike, it just drips away harmlessly. Do
recumbent riders have to contend with snot streaking across their
faces?

Another observation that really has nothing to do with your post: the
website's claim that the rowbike is "full of well-considerated and new
technology" and has "superb aerodynamical qualities" makes me suspect
this whole thing is just a hoax.

-Vee

"Vee" wrote

Another observation that really has nothing to do with your post: the
website's claim that the rowbike is "full of well-considerated and new
technology" and has "superb aerodynamical qualities" makes me suspect
this whole thing is just a hoax.

I don't know the particular "row bike" previously mentioned,
but I do know someone who owns a Rowbike brand one
(http://www.rowbike.com/). As far as I know, Rowbike does not claim
"superb aerodynamically qualities". In fact, they do admit/claim
their bike:

- Burns approximately 50% more calories than ordinary biking
- Provides nearly twice the cardiovascular benefits as ordinary biking

It definitely has a learning curve associated with it. I saw the
owner ride it and two other people try it. I declined to try it... %^P

Jon Meinecke

In article .com, Vee
) wrote:

Throw up is right. I've never thought about this before... when your
nose runs on a regular bike, it just drips away harmlessly. Do
recumbent riders have to contend with snot streaking across their
faces?

Nope. Doesn't run at all, in my experience.

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Vee wrote:

Do recumbent riders have to contend with snot streaking across their
faces?

Not in my experience.


Another observation that really has nothing to do with your post: the
website's claim that the rowbike is "full of well-considerated and new
technology" and has "superb aerodynamical qualities" makes me suspect
this whole thing is just a hoax.

If you want to see a rowing bike in action, go to the following page and
click on "Course Future-Bike à genéve 2002"

http://www.m5france.com/Video.html

Also included: several lowracers (RazzFazz, M5, Birkenstock) and a
back-to-back-tandem.

Kurt

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:29:15 -0600, A Muzi
wrote:

Vee wrote:
Another observation that really has nothing to do with your post: the
website's claim that the rowbike is "full of well-considerated and new
technology" and has "superb aerodynamical qualities" makes me suspect
this whole thing is just a hoax.

Peter Clinch wrote:
A Thys rowbike was the first recumbent finisher in a recent
Paris-Brest-Paris, so pretty amazing for a hoax!

I thought this was about abdominal muscles:
http://www.mowerciser.com/indextemp.html

That device's maker claims that it provides a total body workout, not
just abs. In my area, it would merely provide frustration; between
the mower-jamming oak twigs and the lush mixture of grasses, a
human-powered reel-type mower is a device that will soon have the user
calling a lawn service. (I've seen people buy them around here once
in a while, but they swiftly discover that a week's worth of rain will
create a level of grass growth that such a mower is unable to
address.)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:02:58 -0600, "Jon Meinecke"
wrote:

"Vee" wrote

Another observation that really has nothing to do with your post: the
website's claim that the rowbike is "full of well-considerated and new
technology" and has "superb aerodynamical qualities" makes me suspect
this whole thing is just a hoax.

I don't know the particular "row bike" previously mentioned,
but I do know someone who owns a Rowbike brand one
(http://www.rowbike.com/). As far as I know, Rowbike does not claim
"superb aerodynamically qualities". In fact, they do admit/claim
their bike:

- Burns approximately 50% more calories than ordinary biking
- Provides nearly twice the cardiovascular benefits as ordinary biking

It definitely has a learning curve associated with it. I saw the
owner ride it and two other people try it. I declined to try it... %^P

The other one cited has a much less upright position, and more closely
mimics the rowing position and technique used in a racing shell. As
is almost always the case with advertising claims, they're probably
puffing up the description quite a bit with glittering generalities
and misleading or invented "statistics", but my impression is that of
the two, the Rowbike would be much slower.
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