Mountain biker dies on trail

Callistus Valerius wrote:
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So he died of a heart attack, so what's new here. Rarely do road
pro-cyclists make it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks.
Cyclists dying from heart attacks is very common. Knew a guy who died
from
a heart attack in a marathon, which really shocked the other runners.
What
they didn't know was he was an avid road cyclist. We will live short
lives,
but at least they're fun years, get use to the idea.


What's short about 'our' lives? I am not now nor ever was a pro, but
cycling has made me a very much above average 58.67 Year old.
At least he went out doing what he enjoyed instead of staring into space
from a rest home wheelchair.
Cycling = good.
Vandeman's opinions = bad.
Bill Baka
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You weren't a pro, so you haven't used up your heartbeats. You only get so
many. If you sat on a sofa for 10 years, add 10 years.


My uncle George tried that and had a heart attack at 75 and **poof**
scratch one uncle. I'm hyperactive so forget the coach thing, unless of
course they start to show Doctor Who over on this side of the pond
again. I think there is a threshold that pro's think they have to exceed
even at a later age than they should, or after a winter's indoor sloth.
My routine, even if not a cycling day is to go out and do what I call my
suicide run at full speed until I can barely stand, much less walk. It
covers about 900-1100 feet and my heart only starts pumping after my
legs have given out. If'n I was gonna have a heart attack that should do
it, but it just peaks around 160-170 when I am walking back. On the
riding days I try to keep it at 150 but that requires more motivation
than I have lately.
Nope,
No sofa 4 me.
Bill Baka

Callistus Valerius wrote:
Too sick for words

http://www.google.com/search?q=hiker....microso ft:e
n-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8
That's why the pioneers hated the mountains, stayed out of the mountains.
Only demented people like Jim Bridger, could even survive in such a hostile
environment. They weren't stupid, today they are.


OK,
What's the point? Stay in front of your television and never go outside?
Not a chance. I have been near the top of Mt. Hood in Oregon on a
beautiful day only to have a raging snowstorm come around the mountain
out of the blue. It was so sudden and intense that there was snow piling
up on the ground below me and my stepson. We got down really fast just
by falling and body skiing down to my wife waiting in the car.
On the other extreme I got ran off the road in the California desert
with a friend way back in 1967 and we had to dig the car out in 115
degree heat and no water. When we finally got it dug out we headed to
the nearest bar and the owner said he was sorry his air conditioner
could only get down to 85 degrees, then wondered why we were shivering
as we ordered 2 pitchers of beer. We told him and he said that many
people would have died where we were, but we were lucky the car was a
Renault R-8 and only 1,500 pounds.
I have hated anything over 100 ever since but still enjoy snow, on my
terms, not the weather's ambushes.
Survival is not that hard if you pay some attention and don't push past
your personal limits.
I have no right to preach since I go into abandoned mines and such and
could disappear with a trace.
Live life until you die, as there is no other way.
Being born is an automatic death sentence, the term of which only you
can decide, short of an airplane falling on you.
Bill Baka

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:24:08 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
wrote:

"He had rode ahead on the trail," Staton said. "When one of the bikers
got there, they found him off the bike. He was unresponsive."

He said fellow bikers tried to revive the man as emergency crews made
their way to the area on all-terrain vehicles. A cause of death had
not yet been determined, Staton said. The call was received just
before 11 a.m.

The identity of the man, believed to be in his 50s,
----------
So he died of a heart attack, so what's new here. Rarely do road
pro-cyclists make it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks.
Cyclists dying from heart attacks is very common. Knew a guy who died from
a heart attack in a marathon, which really shocked the other runners. What
they didn't know was he was an avid road cyclist. We will live short lives,
but at least they're fun years, get use to the idea.

Then mountain bikers should stop pretending that mountain biking is
healthful exercise. The chance of dying young is not favorable.
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Bill wrote:

Callistus Valerius wrote:
"He had rode ahead on the trail," Staton said. "When one of the bikers
got there, they found him off the bike. He was unresponsive."

He said fellow bikers tried to revive the man as emergency crews made
their way to the area on all-terrain vehicles. A cause of death had
not yet been determined, Staton said. The call was received just
before 11 a.m.

The identity of the man, believed to be in his 50s,
----------
So he died of a heart attack, so what's new here. Rarely do road
pro-cyclists make it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks.
Cyclists dying from heart attacks is very common. Knew a guy who died from
a heart attack in a marathon, which really shocked the other runners. What
they didn't know was he was an avid road cyclist. We will live short lives,
but at least they're fun years, get use to the idea.


What's short about 'our' lives? I am not now nor ever was a pro, but
cycling has made me a very much above average 58.67 Year old.
At least he went out doing what he enjoyed instead of staring into space
from a rest home wheelchair.
Cycling = good.

As usual, your evidence is ... MISSING. Here's how much your OPINION
is worth: 0.

Vandeman's opinions = bad.
Bill Baka
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Bill wrote:

Callistus Valerius wrote:
"He had rode ahead on the trail," Staton said. "When one of the bikers
got there, they found him off the bike. He was unresponsive."

He said fellow bikers tried to revive the man as emergency crews made
their way to the area on all-terrain vehicles. A cause of death had
not yet been determined, Staton said. The call was received just
before 11 a.m.

The identity of the man, believed to be in his 50s,
----------
So he died of a heart attack, so what's new here. Rarely do road
pro-cyclists make it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks.
Cyclists dying from heart attacks is very common. Knew a guy who died from
a heart attack in a marathon, which really shocked the other runners. What
they didn't know was he was an avid road cyclist. We will live short lives,
but at least they're fun years, get use to the idea.


What's short about 'our' lives? I am not now nor ever was a pro, but
cycling has made me a very much above average 58.67 Year old.
At least he went out doing what he enjoyed instead of staring into space
from a rest home wheelchair.
Cycling = good.

As usual, your evidence is ... MISSING. Here's how much your OPINION
is worth: 0.

Vandeman's opinions = bad.
Bill Baka

My personal evidence is me. If I didn't ride and run for fun I might not
be able to do it at all now. If you want to veg out in front of a
computer ragging on us, well....be my guest. You are just too tied up in
your own little demented world.
BTW, How does the straight jacket fit?
Bill Baka

to go out and do what I call my
suicide run at full speed until I can barely stand, much less walk. It
covers about 900-1100 feet and my heart only starts pumping after my
legs have given out. If'n I was gonna have a heart attack that should do
it, but it just peaks around 160-170 when I am walking back. On the
riding days I try to keep it at 150 but that requires more motivation
than I have lately.
Nope,
No sofa 4 me.
Bill Baka

Your asking for a major cardiac event at your age. For your age --- Running
150 (sustained running), cycling 140 (sustained cycling). I'm assuming
those numbers you gave were just short peaks, otherwise you wouldn't be
here. When it hits, death comes quickly.

Callistus Valerius wrote:
to go out and do what I call my
suicide run at full speed until I can barely stand, much less walk. It
covers about 900-1100 feet and my heart only starts pumping after my
legs have given out. If'n I was gonna have a heart attack that should do
it, but it just peaks around 160-170 when I am walking back. On the
riding days I try to keep it at 150 but that requires more motivation
than I have lately.
Nope,
No sofa 4 me.
Bill Baka

Your asking for a major cardiac event at your age. For your age --- Running
150 (sustained running), cycling 140 (sustained cycling). I'm assuming
those numbers you gave were just short peaks, otherwise you wouldn't be
here. When it hits, death comes quickly.


I have never smoked, quit drinking years ago, Cholesterol is around 190,
and heart attacks don't run in either side of my family. Whenever I take
my grandkids out to the park or beyond it is them that get tired. I can
ride at a sustained 160+ and have been doing it since 1999 when I got
serious about the bike. The running just comes natural since I was the
fastest kid in the whole school in 6th grade. We had an annual 'all
school' run around the school grounds and I always came in way ahead of
the other kids. I think it's genetic on my father's side since he smoked
himself into a stroke (first one and final one) at 83, and on my
mother's side 90's was the norm. Running gets me to 160+ but I can't
sustain it due to too much cycling and different muscles. It isn't my
heart or lungs giving out, just my legs sprinting and burning out the
short term 'twitch' energy.
Besides, if I manage to give myself a fatal coronary it will be doing it
enjoying myself, and not in an old farts home.
My father always told me "Use it or lose it." so I am using 'it'. As
long as I am physically capable of running I will continue to do it as
much as possible. Over the last few months I have been running further
and faster as I regain my running muscles, which are apparently a
separate set than riding muscles, since my riding strength has not
increased from running.
I actually like seriously stressing myself to see if anything breaks.
It might, and then you will not see me posting.
I exist to live life, not watch it. I can't watch sports on television
because it just makes me want to go out and get a game going, which is
pretty much impossible with my 50-60 year old friends.
I can't even get a gang of teenagers together and away from their play
stations. My 15 year old grandson prefers his PSP over real sports.
Sad but true. I think the news people are right in saying that we may
outlive our kids due to video games.
Bill Baka

I have never smoked, quit drinking years ago, Cholesterol is around 190,
and heart attacks don't run in either side of my family. Whenever I take
my grandkids out to the park or beyond it is them that get tired. I can
ride at a sustained 160+ and have been doing it since 1999 when I got
serious about the bike. The running just comes natural since I was the
fastest kid in the whole school in 6th grade. We had an annual 'all
school' run around the school grounds and I always came in way ahead of
the other kids. I think it's genetic on my father's side since he smoked
himself into a stroke (first one and final one) at 83, and on my
mother's side 90's was the norm. Running gets me to 160+ but I can't
sustain it due to too much cycling and different muscles. It isn't my
heart or lungs giving out, just my legs sprinting and burning out the
short term 'twitch' energy.
Besides, if I manage to give myself a fatal coronary it will be doing it
enjoying myself, and not in an old farts home.
My father always told me "Use it or lose it." so I am using 'it'. As
long as I am physically capable of running I will continue to do it as
much as possible. Over the last few months I have been running further
and faster as I regain my running muscles, which are apparently a
separate set than riding muscles, since my riding strength has not
increased from running.
I actually like seriously stressing myself to see if anything breaks.
It might, and then you will not see me posting.
I exist to live life, not watch it. I can't watch sports on television
because it just makes me want to go out and get a game going, which is
pretty much impossible with my 50-60 year old friends.
I can't even get a gang of teenagers together and away from their play
stations. My 15 year old grandson prefers his PSP over real sports.
Sad but true. I think the news people are right in saying that we may
outlive our kids due to video games.
Bill Baka
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Be very careful, I fear you are on the edge of disaster. The person I knew,
who died in the marathon, was the most fit person I knew. He was only 40.
http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/159854
"He froze and collapsed," said co-runner Marjorie Brinton, whose husband
watched Witkes fall.
-----
That's how quick it happens. Wiggy was an ultra-endurance athelete. He did
some insane 700 mile running event, I forgot what it was called. The way
you write reminds me a lot of how Wiggy use to talk. I did some 300k rides
with him, he would talk your ear off, but there wasn't anything he couldn't
do. After Wiggy went down, a lot of us, including me, started to cut down
on our training, watched those heart rate numbers a little bit closer, keep
it out of the death zone, we aren't supermen.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:19:33 GMT, Bill wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:47:45 -0700, Bill wrote:

Callistus Valerius wrote:
"He had rode ahead on the trail," Staton said. "When one of the bikers
got there, they found him off the bike. He was unresponsive."

He said fellow bikers tried to revive the man as emergency crews made
their way to the area on all-terrain vehicles. A cause of death had
not yet been determined, Staton said. The call was received just
before 11 a.m.

The identity of the man, believed to be in his 50s,
----------
So he died of a heart attack, so what's new here. Rarely do road
pro-cyclists make it to age 60, most die before that from heart attacks.
Cyclists dying from heart attacks is very common. Knew a guy who died from
a heart attack in a marathon, which really shocked the other runners. What
they didn't know was he was an avid road cyclist. We will live short lives,
but at least they're fun years, get use to the idea.


What's short about 'our' lives? I am not now nor ever was a pro, but
cycling has made me a very much above average 58.67 Year old.
At least he went out doing what he enjoyed instead of staring into space
from a rest home wheelchair.
Cycling = good.

As usual, your evidence is ... MISSING. Here's how much your OPINION
is worth: 0.

Vandeman's opinions = bad.
Bill Baka

My personal evidence is me.

I.e., demented.

If I didn't ride and run for fun I might not
be able to do it at all now.

Are you incapable of WALKING? Why is it that the only exercise you
are interested in is the kind that rips up nature? (I know, you never
answer questions, because it would embarrass you. You were the kid who
always mouthed off in class to hide the fact that you didn't know the
answer.)

If you want to veg out in front of a
computer ragging on us, well....be my guest. You are just too tied up in
your own little demented world.
BTW, How does the straight jacket fit?
Bill Baka
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 04:16:32 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
wrote:

to go out and do what I call my
suicide run at full speed until I can barely stand, much less walk. It
covers about 900-1100 feet and my heart only starts pumping after my
legs have given out. If'n I was gonna have a heart attack that should do
it, but it just peaks around 160-170 when I am walking back. On the
riding days I try to keep it at 150 but that requires more motivation
than I have lately.
Nope,
No sofa 4 me.
Bill Baka

Your asking for a major cardiac event at your age. For your age --- Running
150 (sustained running), cycling 140 (sustained cycling). I'm assuming
those numbers you gave were just short peaks, otherwise you wouldn't be
here. When it hits, death comes quickly.

As if anyone cares.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande