Pedals Generally Getting Too (Scary) Light???

schreef:
On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ozark Bicycle
wrote:

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT...
Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.
Oh, geez! Those are *mountain bike* pedals, for gawd's sake!! You know
what this kind of thing leads to, don't you? Shame and embarrassment
at the Latte Stop and on the Planet Lycra Club Ride, that's what it
leads to!

Repent now! ;-)

yeah, that is almost like riding a recumbent.


It is not the pedals that make you look dorkey, if that matters. It's
the shoes you wear. There a perfect good looking and good qualitity SPD
compatible shoes out there.
I find Shimano SPD pedals extreme good value for money. I mentioned the
XTR as an example, but as you mentioned you can get them much cheaper.
Like these:

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+520+Klickpedale

That's incredible value for money IMO. I have both, the XTR's and the
M520. The functional difference is very small. The XTR's don't rust and
look better. I don't mix between brands.

With the M520 or M540 you can save some money you can spend on new shoes.

Lou

On Nov 16, 8:54*am, spincircles wrote:
All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

Campagnolo cleats, the plastic part, does wear like Look cleats and
need replacement from time to time. The metal insert is very robust
and hardly ever needs replacement.

As for Speedplay, you mentioned weight of cleat and pedal but the tone
of the article is that pedals are getting to light and hence
unreliable. I used LOOK for a long time, followed by Look produced
campagnolo, then Campagnolo Profit..now use Speedplay Zero. I like SP
because they are durable, completely rebuildable, you can buy 1 pedal
if you crash and kill one, are reliable, easy to get into and out.
Having the attach hardware in the cleat does not make them less secure
and walking is no better or worse than any other cleat except the
outer most plate is steel, rather than plastic, so they wear a little
better. The ability to adjust left/right float in small increments
really favors my riding style as does the range of cleat adjustment
both fore and aft and side to side. If you want an even wider stance,
longer spindles are available as well.

Looks seem cheap, plastic-ey, Time are poorly made, having spindle
play almost from the first day. shimano pedals work well, are not all
that light and are reliable.

My first choice by far is Speedplay with shimano being a second
choice. Look and Time are in the distance...IMHO, of course.

On Nov 16, 8:54*am, spincircles wrote:
All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

Also-

http://www.wellgo.com.tw/index.asp?c...=new&offset=10

...about $80, have cleats but can use LOOK cleats as well...

On Nov 16, 9:54*am, spincircles wrote:
All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:

1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?

Too light? In my opinion, they are too light for what they are.
Manufacturers have borrowed weight from the spindle and body until
those parts are no longer reliable, so that they can put that material
into complex, some might say needlessly complex, mechanisms.

These pedals are both very light and quite safe:

http://www.aerolitepedals.com/products.htm

But they are simple to the point of being crude. As for me, I'd
rather have pedals that require a "stomp" to clip in than pedals that
snap off. But even more than that, I like pedals that don't break,
don't make me clip in, and work with any shoes.

http://www.danscomp.com/465104.php

My local BMX shop has a great price on these. I pull out the traction
pins so they don't brutalize my shoes. They are not sub-400g, but
they are lightweight for their size and robustness. They look good
and feel good.

My last try at using clipless pedals was with resin-bodied Time ATACs,
because they were the only clipless pedals I could find that used 12mm
spindles on the inboard end and had rolling element bearings. I liked
the pedals reasonably well, but could not make peace with the absurd
and uncomfortable shoes that went with them. I switched back to
normal pedals and have never regretted it.

2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.

I have no such tales, because I wouldn't touch such pedals for
anything. I have broken and gutted much manlier pedals than those. I
don't need to waste my time messing with kidbike parts.

3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

You shouldn't. It would be stupid to do that.

Use pedals that you trust, that you like, that you can easily afford,
that play well with shoes you like. Prioritizing pedal weight
alongside these more important things is folly.

Chalo

Chalo schreef:

http://www.danscomp.com/465104.php

My local BMX shop has a great price on these. I pull out the traction
pins so they don't brutalize my shoes. They are not sub-400g, but
they are lightweight for their size and robustness. They look good
and feel good.


I have a pair of those. What were they thinking when they put all those
pointy setscrews in, hitting your shin bone from time to time when you
walk your bike out of the garage.

Lou

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:54:15 -0800 (PST), spincircles
wrote:

2) Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.

I have a couple pairs of SPD-R, which are robust -- the Shimano road
pedal from before SPD-SL) in excellent condition if you want to buy
them. And a couple pairs of cleats. The challenge would be getting
cleats in the future, though I assume they will last a long time
(they're steel) and that you could find them on eBay too.

On Nov 16, 8:16*am, "Pete Biggs"
wrote:
spincircles wrote:
Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

http://cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08354.html

Because it was just 2004 and 2005 models with steel axles that were
recalled, the rest (later steel and all Ti) are presumably OK. *I feel
confident enough to use them anyway, and for me they are comfortable and
good value for money. *Not many others provide up to 9 degrees of float, by
the way.

It's ironic that the titanium axles haven't been affected, because titanum
is often said to be less reliable than steel. *These do feel scary-light to
pick up - but there is no evidence to suggest that they are any more likely
to fail that the heavier steel ones. *They would have been recalled too if
there was.


Gee whiz, I own that vintage! Bummer. Now I have to get
replacements.

The reason these things break is because they have sharp shoulders
machined in the spindles next to the bearing cartridge -- just like
some of the pre-Keo pedals, including a model that I broke. When I
took that model apart to look at it, I couldn't believe the design. I
am not an engineer, so I figured Look knew something that I didn't or
that the material could take such a sharp shoulder without creating a
stress riser. Guess not. I like Look pedals, though -- more than the
SPDs that I have on my touring and cross/commuter bike. But I don't
like things that break, particularly when I am not near home. -- Jay
Beattie.

On Nov 16, 8:16*am, "Pete Biggs"
wrote:
spincircles wrote:
Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

http://cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08354.html

Because it was just 2004 and 2005 models with steel axles that were
recalled, the rest (later steel and all Ti) are presumably OK. *I feel
confident enough to use them anyway, and for me they are comfortable and
good value for money. *Not many others provide up to 9 degrees of float, by
the way.

It's ironic that the titanium axles haven't been affected, because titanum
is often said to be less reliable than steel. *These do feel scary-light to
pick up - but there is no evidence to suggest that they are any more likely
to fail that the heavier steel ones. *They would have been recalled too if
there was.


Don't be too confident. A local rider had a Look Keo that ISN'T on
the recall list break. His injuries were way worse than those
mentioned in the recall notice which if you read carefully, isn't all-
inclusive.

Orin.

I won a pair of very early Look pedals in a bike race in 1986. I
didn't trust them (this whole clipless thing was very new) so I gave
them or sold them to my roommate. He broke a spindle on one about a
year later. They were not super light.

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
I won a pair of very early Look pedals in a bike race in 1986. I
didn't trust them (this whole clipless thing was very new) so I gave
them or sold them to my roommate. He broke a spindle on one about a
year later. They were not super light.

Never underestimate the power of bad metallurgy..

Bruce