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I know it makes me look like a petty asshole, but I've got to repost
this, which was written earlier this this thread by someone else: "Everything I've described is the state of the art when it comes to nutrition for the endurance athlete. Dozens of studies have looked at these issues, in the lab and out. What you have described is nonsense." JT |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
I made an argument based on succesful practice and you denounced it by claiming the people with that experience don't know about nutrition. It seems you have two different standards depending on which side of the discussion the evidence is on. Welcome to the subtle art of argument. I have no skin in this game, and I'm ready to be convinced by evidence--one way or the other. The "that's what successful athletes use"(*) argument was pretty weak, for obvious reasons. So I shot it down. (*) same argument used in years past to justify tied-and-soldered spokes, ankling, etc. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
I made an argument based on succesful practice and you denounced it by claiming the people with that experience don't know about nutrition. It seems you have two different standards depending on which side of the discussion the evidence is on. Welcome to the subtle art of argument. I have no skin in this game, and I'm ready to be convinced by evidence--one way or the other. The "that's what successful athletes use"(*) argument was pretty weak, for obvious reasons. So I shot it down. (*) same argument used in years past to justify tied-and-soldered spokes, ankling, etc. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
Thank you. This is very helpful and, I think, supports my assertion that strong sugar solutions like Extran can be useful if the rider is drinking a lot. Something Morse denouncd. A point I will concede: concentrated sugar solutions will be digested, but at the expense of reduced water absorbtion. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
Thank you. This is very helpful and, I think, supports my assertion that strong sugar solutions like Extran can be useful if the rider is drinking a lot. Something Morse denouncd. A point I will concede: concentrated sugar solutions will be digested, but at the expense of reduced water absorbtion. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
I know it makes me look like a petty asshole, but I've got to repost this, which was written earlier this this thread by someone else: "Everything I've described is the state of the art when it comes to nutrition for the endurance athlete. Dozens of studies have looked at these issues, in the lab and out. What you have described is nonsense." That someone else was yours truly, thank you. Got the discussion going, didn't it? Now we all know more than we did before. What John described wasn't in the end nonsense, he just couldn't defend it very well. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
I know it makes me look like a petty asshole, but I've got to repost this, which was written earlier this this thread by someone else: "Everything I've described is the state of the art when it comes to nutrition for the endurance athlete. Dozens of studies have looked at these issues, in the lab and out. What you have described is nonsense." That someone else was yours truly, thank you. Got the discussion going, didn't it? Now we all know more than we did before. What John described wasn't in the end nonsense, he just couldn't defend it very well. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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Terry Morse wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: I made an argument based on succesful practice and you denounced it by claiming the people with that experience don't know about nutrition. It seems you have two different standards depending on which side of the discussion the evidence is on. Welcome to the subtle art of argument. I have no skin in this game, and I'm ready to be convinced by evidence--one way or the other. The "that's what successful athletes use"(*) argument was pretty weak, for obvious reasons. So I shot it down. (*) same argument used in years past to justify tied-and-soldered spokes, ankling, etc. A major difference is that your claim was that use of an energy drink with glucose would be detrimental to the performance of endurance athletes. Extensive use of such drinks by successful endurance athletes is valid evidence against such a claim, albeit not a proof. OTOH, in the case of tied-and-soldered spokes, I don't remember anyone claiming that it would hurt performance (other than the trivial weight gain) - just that it was unnecessary and inconvenient. |
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Terry Morse wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: I made an argument based on succesful practice and you denounced it by claiming the people with that experience don't know about nutrition. It seems you have two different standards depending on which side of the discussion the evidence is on. Welcome to the subtle art of argument. I have no skin in this game, and I'm ready to be convinced by evidence--one way or the other. The "that's what successful athletes use"(*) argument was pretty weak, for obvious reasons. So I shot it down. (*) same argument used in years past to justify tied-and-soldered spokes, ankling, etc. A major difference is that your claim was that use of an energy drink with glucose would be detrimental to the performance of endurance athletes. Extensive use of such drinks by successful endurance athletes is valid evidence against such a claim, albeit not a proof. OTOH, in the case of tied-and-soldered spokes, I don't remember anyone claiming that it would hurt performance (other than the trivial weight gain) - just that it was unnecessary and inconvenient. |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:09:09 -0700, Terry Morse
wrote: John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: I know it makes me look like a petty asshole, but I've got to repost this, which was written earlier this this thread by someone else: "Everything I've described is the state of the art when it comes to nutrition for the endurance athlete. Dozens of studies have looked at these issues, in the lab and out. What you have described is nonsense." That someone else was yours truly, thank you. Got the discussion going, didn't it? Now we all know more than we did before. What John described wasn't in the end nonsense, he just couldn't defend it very well. Yes, I am unfortunately not so good at persuading people who are sometimes too thick. JT |
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