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Cruelty to animals is against the law. If I ever see anyone spraying ammonia on a dog, I will report you to the police and follow the case through the courts to make sure you are punished. There is no need to spray ammonia on a chasing dog. A surprise shot of plain water shocks the animal enough to make it give up the chase. I have seen this work time after time. Kevan Smith Two things: One, people ARE allowed to defend themselves against attackers, whether they be humans or animals. and, Two, people are not bound by what one Kevan Smith thinks is or is not acceptable self defense. Pat in TX |
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"H. M. Leary" writes: Only fair that a dog gets a chance at eating a humane....) LOL What a beautiful day here on the east coast. Why am I stuck mowing the lawn, triming the hedge cutting down a dead tree, etc etc etc.. I could be RIDING! It's too hot anyways ;-) I've got some lawn & garden care to do, too. HAND You too. cheers, Tom -- -- Powered by FreeBSD Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:11:55 -0500, Kevan Smith
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:04:27 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: But are you saying that ammonia would harm the dog? Is it not equivalent to skunk spray (only less oily)? I'd doubt that 1/2 clear ammonia and water would harm the dog, but I don't know - perhaps you have some experience? Test it on your own eyes first. Ammonia is a caustic substance that can blind you. Pretty hostile response on your part to a simple question. Why so hostile to fellow bikers than to growling snarling animals with apparent bad intentions? I wouldn't blame anyone that had been previously bitten for spraying a dog (or -that- dog) - would you? -Badger |
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"The amount of ammonia produced by humans every year is almost equal
to that produced by nature every year. Ammonia is produced naturally in soil by bacteria, decaying plants and animals, and animal wastes. Ammonia is essential for many biological processes. How can ammonia affect my health? Exposure to high concentrations of ammonia in the air may cause severe burns in your skin, eyes, throat, and lungs. In extreme cases, blindness, lung damage, or death could occur. Breathing lower concentrations will cause coughing and nose and throat irritation. If you swallow ammonia, you could suffer burns in your mouth, throat, and stomach. Concentrated ammonia spilled on the skin will cause burns. Animal studies show effects similar to those observed in people. We do not know if ammonia affects reproduction in humans. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts126.html" "Kevan Smith" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:04:27 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: Ammonia is a caustic substance that can blind you. -- Kevan Smith |
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You're going from chasing to biting. If a dog is biting you, sure, defend yourself. Spraying a chemical that could blind or poison on a dog that is merely chasing is cruelty to animals. Most chasing dogs just do it for play, not to commit harm. And, as I said, a simple spray of water stops them. I have seen it work many times. -- Kevan Smith Wait until he gets his teeth into your flesh to determine if it's merely a chase or bite? Don't think so, the dog's actions are your option to determine if he means you harm or not. |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:19:13 -0500, Kevan Smith
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:47:41 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:11:55 -0500, Kevan Smith wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:04:27 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: But are you saying that ammonia would harm the dog? Is it not equivalent to skunk spray (only less oily)? I'd doubt that 1/2 clear ammonia and water would harm the dog, but I don't know - perhaps you have some experience? Test it on your own eyes first. Ammonia is a caustic substance that can blind you. Pretty hostile response on your part to a simple question. Why so hostile to fellow bikers than to growling snarling animals with apparent bad intentions? I wouldn't blame anyone that had been previously bitten for spraying a dog (or -that- dog) - would you? It's not hostile. If you want to find out the effects of ammonia on eyes, then use your own. Why torture a dog? Deliberately using a chemical known to blind is cruelty to animals. Yes, I can blame people who break the law, previously bitten or not. OK, having read the OP's 'dangers of ammonia', I agree, it's not cool to use concentrated ammonia on animals for any reason. I think the reason one poster mentioned it was that it's a common household chemical, and they may have recalled the reaction to an ammonia capsule, which when used to arouse from fainting, causes aversion; they may have been imagining squirting the dog's nose, actually. So I don't think anyone would advocate, nor deliberately use to blind, such a substance. I've never sprayed a dog with anything, but I have been harassed by many dogs, had them jump on me (which the owners think is 'cute'), had their claws rip the skin on my legs (still have a scar). Again, your reaction seems hostile, or at least exaggerated, considering no one said anything about blinding, to a simple inquiry. But it's true, eveyone seems to side with the dogs; dogs are completely faultless, "if you get bit it's your fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time", "he's harmless", "he's never done that before", "my dog would never bite you" (while watching the dog chow down on your leg). Perhaps we -should- spray the owners. ;-) -Badger |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:10:55 -0500, Kevan Smith
wrote: On 20 Jun 2004 07:58:22 -0700, (John) from http://groups.google.com wrote: The dogs have bitten me. I confronted the owner after that happened and was told that since they lived in the country they weren't going to chain their dogs...which I guess I can understand. But there are dozens of unchained dogs around here that don't chase me and have never bitten me. After talking to the owner some more, I decided to try Halt spray. I managed to hit 1 dog with it. That dog immediately stopped chasing, went to the side of the road, and started rubbing its head on the ground. But the dogs have continued to chase despite that instance and further use of the Halt. I regard the owner's negligence in training and controlling his animals, which is leading towards the dogs being put down, as a far greater example of animal cruelty than ammonia, firecrackers, or a gunshot to the head. No, ammonia is still cruel. There is no doubt the owner is in the wrong hear, however, you are too. Instead of escalating to chemical warfare, you should call the animal control authorities. Perhaps they can help the dogs find a better owner. In other words, let the government take care of it, once again. Man, I hate the socialist agenda. How about the Citizen remove the threat by taking personal responsibility? Michael J. Klein Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings --------------------------------------------- |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:19:13 -0500, Kevan Smith
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:47:41 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:11:55 -0500, Kevan Smith wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:04:27 -0400, Badger_South from wrote: But are you saying that ammonia would harm the dog? Is it not equivalent to skunk spray (only less oily)? I'd doubt that 1/2 clear ammonia and water would harm the dog, but I don't know - perhaps you have some experience? Test it on your own eyes first. Ammonia is a caustic substance that can blind you. Pretty hostile response on your part to a simple question. Why so hostile to fellow bikers than to growling snarling animals with apparent bad intentions? I wouldn't blame anyone that had been previously bitten for spraying a dog (or -that- dog) - would you? It's not hostile. If you want to find out the effects of ammonia on eyes, then use your own. Why torture a dog? Deliberately using a chemical known to blind is cruelty to animals. Yes, I can blame people who break the law, previously bitten or not. Law? You keep talking about laws and authorities like they are the answer to the problem. Michael J. Klein Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings --------------------------------------------- |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:31:15 -0400, Badger_South
wrote: snippled to save everyone's sanity But it's true, eveyone seems to side with the dogs; dogs are completely faultless, "if you get bit it's your fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time", "he's harmless", "he's never done that before", "my dog would never bite you" (while watching the dog chow down on your leg). Perhaps we -should- spray the owners. ;-) That is exactly what the owner said to the policeman as he was taking their dog away for having attacked me. That was in the US of course, and in the '60s I might add. "He's never done that before" became "yeah, and he'll never do it again." Michael J. Klein Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings --------------------------------------------- |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:12:56 -0500, Kevan Smith
wrote: On 20 Jun 2004 12:11:54 GMT, (GABIKE) from AOL http://www.aol.com wrote: Cruelty to animals is against the law. If I ever see anyone spraying ammonia on a dog, I will report you to the police and follow the case through the courts to make sure you are punished. There is no need to spray ammonia on a chasing dog. A surprise shot of plain water shocks the animal enough to make it give up the chase. I have seen this work time after time. -- Kevan Smith What about cruelty to humans? Get your head out of your rear end. A dog chasing someone is not cruelty. It is usually instinct or play. Man, you just won't give up will you? "Usually" OK, fine. When its _not_ instinct or play, and an animal clearly wants to do you harm, tell us all Kevan, what do you do? Do you threaten to sue? Toss your attorney's business card as a warning? Site articles of the local civil code? I have a list and I'm going to compare it with your response. I'll bet I'm right. Michael J. Klein Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings --------------------------------------------- |
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