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Old February 9th 19, 07:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.

In short - there isn't any - but common man tends to think of hot days as proving it and cold ones as here anyway between the hot days.

What has this to do with bicycling? Well, not a whole lot except if you travel around the country on rides here and there.

I've lived all my life around the San Francisco bay and being Croatian I don't sunburn as such here. Early in the year I will turn red and perhaps some slight pain for no more than a day or so but now that I'm getting older and wiser asser, I do use SPF 30 on the back of my neck and arms that are outside of my short sleeve jersey.

When I traveled to Arizona to visit friends that was a REAL bad habit. Down there or any of the southern areas for that matter, you need no less than SPF80 and my 30 allowed me to blister even though I had a good tan to begin with.

So if you are white as a sheet like Frank or Jay take some SPF100 with you and make sure you use it on every ride.

In the mean time I'll sit around here between rainstorms and dream of a warm spring and real riding weather. You know - the kind where you don't have all the local peaks covered in snow for the first time in many years.
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Old February 9th 19, 10:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 6:13:37 PM UTC, wrote:

So if you are white as a sheet like Frank or Jay take some SPF100 with you and make sure you use it on every ride.


I'm extremely fair skinned and never leave the house without a hat and gloves. But in these days of global warming, I never wear UV creme. The last time I had occasion to wear it here in Ireland was in the "global warming" of the 1990s.

Mind you, in Africa, South America and Australia I bathed in the stuff.

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Old February 10th 19, 05:22 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 9:46:20 PM UTC, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST), Tom wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.


You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.


Will you be offering us an example, Timmie, or are you just bloviating and expecting us to take you on faith. We've all been burned by faith in you before...

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Old February 10th 19, 07:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.


You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.


Not to be too much of a prick about it but what do you know about the subject Tim?

I can tell you that 1. There hasn't been any significant temperature changes beyond the usual chaotic weather patterns since the super warm and dry periods of the Great Depression. 2. There hasn't been any sea level changes measured anywhere except on the north-eastern seaboard. There are even pictures taken on coastal areas of the south eastern sections of the US that show exactly the same sea levels as presently. Granted that we don't know what the tidal levels were during these photos but they were clear enough to see that the proclaimed 6 inches of sea level rise since 1880 are very questionable to say the least. Furthermore we have verified PROOF that NASA changed the temperature record on the RAW DATA in 1998 so that it would match their global warming byline and in so doing totally hid the fact that it was far hotter in 1930's than presently and it also totally destroyed the rather marked cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.

This is serious scientific errors or more likely wrongdoing and your attempt at making light of it without backing up your statements at all is pretty silly.

Are you aware that the northeastern US and northeastern Canada are on the same tectonic plate? That the retreating of the northern Canadian glaciers cause a rebound of the land there tilting the plate down at the other end? At what point did sea levels not find its own level?

At what point did it become legitimate for anyone to change raw data for any reason whatsoever? If you believe that there should be corrections you write a paper explaining your theory and what the temperatures should be with your corrections. Then it is peer reviewed and not passed on to everyone else without the ability to comment yea or nay.

Jr. High acceptance of someone as an authority that cannot be questioned appears to be what you're doing so perhaps you should tell us your expertise in the matter and your what YOU theorize and not your blind acceptance of Ocasio-Cortez - the woman that was born in the US and went to school in New York's Northridge and has a heavy Cuban accent despite her parents being Puerto Rican - which is a territory of the USA and so her parents were NOT "immigrants" but Americans moving to New York and not immigrating from another country.
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Old February 10th 19, 08:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/10/2019 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.


You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.


Not to be too much of a prick about it but what do you know about the subject Tim?

I can tell you that 1. There hasn't been any significant temperature changes beyond the usual chaotic weather patterns since the super warm and dry periods of the Great Depression. 2. There hasn't been any sea level changes measured anywhere except on the north-eastern seaboard. There are even pictures taken on coastal areas of the south eastern sections of the US that show exactly the same sea levels as presently. Granted that we don't know what the tidal levels were during these photos but they were clear enough to see that the proclaimed 6 inches of sea level rise since 1880 are very questionable to say the least. Furthermore we have verified PROOF that NASA changed the temperature record on the RAW DATA in 1998 so that it would match their global warming byline and in so doing totally hid the fact that it was far hotter in 1930's than presently and it also totally destroyed the rather marked cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.

This is serious scientific errors or more likely wrongdoing and your attempt at making light of it without backing up your statements at all is pretty silly.

Are you aware that the northeastern US and northeastern Canada are on the same tectonic plate? That the retreating of the northern Canadian glaciers cause a rebound of the land there tilting the plate down at the other end? At what point did sea levels not find its own level?

At what point did it become legitimate for anyone to change raw data for any reason whatsoever? If you believe that there should be corrections you write a paper explaining your theory and what the temperatures should be with your corrections. Then it is peer reviewed and not passed on to everyone else without the ability to comment yea or nay.

Jr. High acceptance of someone as an authority that cannot be questioned appears to be what you're doing so perhaps you should tell us your expertise in the matter and your what YOU theorize and not your blind acceptance of Ocasio-Cortez - the woman that was born in the US and went to school in New York's Northridge and has a heavy Cuban accent despite her parents being Puerto Rican - which is a territory of the USA and so her parents were NOT "immigrants" but Americans moving to New York and not immigrating from another country.


You're wasting your time typing this here, Tom. Go proclaim your
knowledge to the agencies that will really make a difference - that is,
the ones that are publishing all the science about climate change.

There are hundreds of those agencies, so as the military folks say,
you're in a target-rich environment!

And I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old February 11th 19, 12:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2019 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.

You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.


Not to be too much of a prick about it but what do you know about the subject Tim?

I can tell you that 1. There hasn't been any significant temperature changes beyond the usual chaotic weather patterns since the super warm and dry periods of the Great Depression. 2. There hasn't been any sea level changes measured anywhere except on the north-eastern seaboard. There are even pictures taken on coastal areas of the south eastern sections of the US that show exactly the same sea levels as presently. Granted that we don't know what the tidal levels were during these photos but they were clear enough to see that the proclaimed 6 inches of sea level rise since 1880 are very questionable to say the least. Furthermore we have verified PROOF that NASA changed the temperature record on the RAW DATA in 1998 so that it would match their global warming byline and in so doing totally hid the fact that it was far hotter in 1930's than presently and it also totally destroyed the rather marked cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.

This is serious scientific errors or more likely wrongdoing and your attempt at making light of it without backing up your statements at all is pretty silly.

Are you aware that the northeastern US and northeastern Canada are on the same tectonic plate? That the retreating of the northern Canadian glaciers cause a rebound of the land there tilting the plate down at the other end? At what point did sea levels not find its own level?

At what point did it become legitimate for anyone to change raw data for any reason whatsoever? If you believe that there should be corrections you write a paper explaining your theory and what the temperatures should be with your corrections. Then it is peer reviewed and not passed on to everyone else without the ability to comment yea or nay.

Jr. High acceptance of someone as an authority that cannot be questioned appears to be what you're doing so perhaps you should tell us your expertise in the matter and your what YOU theorize and not your blind acceptance of Ocasio-Cortez - the woman that was born in the US and went to school in New York's Northridge and has a heavy Cuban accent despite her parents being Puerto Rican - which is a territory of the USA and so her parents were NOT "immigrants" but Americans moving to New York and not immigrating from another country.


You're wasting your time typing this here, Tom. Go proclaim your
knowledge to the agencies that will really make a difference - that is,
the ones that are publishing all the science about climate change.

There are hundreds of those agencies, so as the military folks say,
you're in a target-rich environment!

And I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.


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- Frank Krygowski


How about NASA whose own satellite records show no warming beyond normal chaotic weather changes since the system was launched in 1978 but who tell the people that the climate has warmed almost 1 degree C during that time? After all, if Google Earth can show your neighbor sun bathing in her backyard how is it that NASA don't use their own data which is the only true method of measuring mean global temperature?

How is it that NASA is using ground based thermometers when for the greater part of the period that they say we have been warming the only reliable data was from Europe and the USA and there was NO data whatsoever from anything in the southern hemisphere and there was NO temperature data at all from the oceans until more recently than the satellites have been measuring?

Frank, again you do not know anything yourself but you are ready, willing and able to fall back onto anything whatsoever that you can consider as superior "expert opinion". So you're telling ME what is right and what is wrong based on abject ignorance. So drivel on. Your willingness to offer ignorance instead of learning makes me wonder exactly what sort of teacher you could ever have been. Really teaching students to be ready for the 21st century were you?

No wonder 25% of people under 30 can't even name the vice president. Where 30% don't know why we use a representative republic rather than a popular vote. And where HALF of them think that socialism is a good idea.
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Old February 11th 19, 12:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/10/2019 6:03 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2019 1:57 PM,
wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.

You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.

Not to be too much of a prick about it but what do you know about the subject Tim?

I can tell you that 1. There hasn't been any significant temperature changes beyond the usual chaotic weather patterns since the super warm and dry periods of the Great Depression. 2. There hasn't been any sea level changes measured anywhere except on the north-eastern seaboard. There are even pictures taken on coastal areas of the south eastern sections of the US that show exactly the same sea levels as presently. Granted that we don't know what the tidal levels were during these photos but they were clear enough to see that the proclaimed 6 inches of sea level rise since 1880 are very questionable to say the least. Furthermore we have verified PROOF that NASA changed the temperature record on the RAW DATA in 1998 so that it would match their global warming byline and in so doing totally hid the fact that it was far hotter in 1930's than presently and it also totally destroyed the rather marked cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.

This is serious scientific errors or more likely wrongdoing and your attempt at making light of it without backing up your statements at all is pretty silly.

Are you aware that the northeastern US and northeastern Canada are on the same tectonic plate? That the retreating of the northern Canadian glaciers cause a rebound of the land there tilting the plate down at the other end? At what point did sea levels not find its own level?

At what point did it become legitimate for anyone to change raw data for any reason whatsoever? If you believe that there should be corrections you write a paper explaining your theory and what the temperatures should be with your corrections. Then it is peer reviewed and not passed on to everyone else without the ability to comment yea or nay.

Jr. High acceptance of someone as an authority that cannot be questioned appears to be what you're doing so perhaps you should tell us your expertise in the matter and your what YOU theorize and not your blind acceptance of Ocasio-Cortez - the woman that was born in the US and went to school in New York's Northridge and has a heavy Cuban accent despite her parents being Puerto Rican - which is a territory of the USA and so her parents were NOT "immigrants" but Americans moving to New York and not immigrating from another country.


You're wasting your time typing this here, Tom. Go proclaim your
knowledge to the agencies that will really make a difference - that is,
the ones that are publishing all the science about climate change.

There are hundreds of those agencies, so as the military folks say,
you're in a target-rich environment!

And I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.


--
- Frank Krygowski


How about NASA whose own satellite records show no warming beyond normal chaotic weather changes since the system was launched in 1978 but who tell the people that the climate has warmed almost 1 degree C during that time? After all, if Google Earth can show your neighbor sun bathing in her backyard how is it that NASA don't use their own data which is the only true method of measuring mean global temperature?

How is it that NASA is using ground based thermometers when for the greater part of the period that they say we have been warming the only reliable data was from Europe and the USA and there was NO data whatsoever from anything in the southern hemisphere and there was NO temperature data at all from the oceans until more recently than the satellites have been measuring?

Frank, again you do not know anything yourself but you are ready, willing and able to fall back onto anything whatsoever that you can consider as superior "expert opinion". So you're telling ME what is right and what is wrong based on abject ignorance. So drivel on. Your willingness to offer ignorance instead of learning makes me wonder exactly what sort of teacher you could ever have been. Really teaching students to be ready for the 21st century were you?

No wonder 25% of people under 30 can't even name the vice president. Where 30% don't know why we use a representative republic rather than a popular vote. And where HALF of them think that socialism is a good idea.


Tom, I didn't even disagree with you in what I posted! I just said you
need to communicate with the guys with the relevant degrees in science,
working for the relevant agencies!

Good grief, contact NASA and set them straight! They'll love to hear
from you! Once you get them corrected, move on to the other hundreds of
agencies that disagree with you.

Even if you do somehow convince every reader of this discussion group,
it won't accomplish anything. Quit bitching here. Take it to NASA.

--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old February 11th 19, 12:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:55:01 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2019 6:03 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/10/2019 1:57 PM,
wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 1:46:20 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:13:35 -0800 (PST),

wrote:
Most people aren't familiar with the science so they tend to take the
word of NASA and NOAA about Climate Change.

You are apparently not familiar with the science either, Tom, your
bloviations on the topic demonstrating that quite clearly.

Not to be too much of a prick about it but what do you know about the subject Tim?

I can tell you that 1. There hasn't been any significant temperature changes beyond the usual chaotic weather patterns since the super warm and dry periods of the Great Depression. 2. There hasn't been any sea level changes measured anywhere except on the north-eastern seaboard. There are even pictures taken on coastal areas of the south eastern sections of the US that show exactly the same sea levels as presently. Granted that we don't know what the tidal levels were during these photos but they were clear enough to see that the proclaimed 6 inches of sea level rise since 1880 are very questionable to say the least. Furthermore we have verified PROOF that NASA changed the temperature record on the RAW DATA in 1998 so that it would match their global warming byline and in so doing totally hid the fact that it was far hotter in 1930's than presently and it also totally destroyed the rather marked cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.

This is serious scientific errors or more likely wrongdoing and your attempt at making light of it without backing up your statements at all is pretty silly.

Are you aware that the northeastern US and northeastern Canada are on the same tectonic plate? That the retreating of the northern Canadian glaciers cause a rebound of the land there tilting the plate down at the other end? At what point did sea levels not find its own level?

At what point did it become legitimate for anyone to change raw data for any reason whatsoever? If you believe that there should be corrections you write a paper explaining your theory and what the temperatures should be with your corrections. Then it is peer reviewed and not passed on to everyone else without the ability to comment yea or nay.

Jr. High acceptance of someone as an authority that cannot be questioned appears to be what you're doing so perhaps you should tell us your expertise in the matter and your what YOU theorize and not your blind acceptance of Ocasio-Cortez - the woman that was born in the US and went to school in New York's Northridge and has a heavy Cuban accent despite her parents being Puerto Rican - which is a territory of the USA and so her parents were NOT "immigrants" but Americans moving to New York and not immigrating from another country.

You're wasting your time typing this here, Tom. Go proclaim your
knowledge to the agencies that will really make a difference - that is,
the ones that are publishing all the science about climate change.

There are hundreds of those agencies, so as the military folks say,
you're in a target-rich environment!

And I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.


--
- Frank Krygowski


How about NASA whose own satellite records show no warming beyond normal chaotic weather changes since the system was launched in 1978 but who tell the people that the climate has warmed almost 1 degree C during that time? After all, if Google Earth can show your neighbor sun bathing in her backyard how is it that NASA don't use their own data which is the only true method of measuring mean global temperature?

How is it that NASA is using ground based thermometers when for the greater part of the period that they say we have been warming the only reliable data was from Europe and the USA and there was NO data whatsoever from anything in the southern hemisphere and there was NO temperature data at all from the oceans until more recently than the satellites have been measuring?

Frank, again you do not know anything yourself but you are ready, willing and able to fall back onto anything whatsoever that you can consider as superior "expert opinion". So you're telling ME what is right and what is wrong based on abject ignorance. So drivel on. Your willingness to offer ignorance instead of learning makes me wonder exactly what sort of teacher you could ever have been. Really teaching students to be ready for the 21st century were you?

No wonder 25% of people under 30 can't even name the vice president. Where 30% don't know why we use a representative republic rather than a popular vote. And where HALF of them think that socialism is a good idea.


Tom, I didn't even disagree with you in what I posted! I just said you
need to communicate with the guys with the relevant degrees in science,
working for the relevant agencies!

Good grief, contact NASA and set them straight! They'll love to hear
from you! Once you get them corrected, move on to the other hundreds of
agencies that disagree with you.

Even if you do somehow convince every reader of this discussion group,
it won't accomplish anything. Quit bitching here. Take it to NASA.

--
- Frank Krygowski


As long as people reply to him here Tom will keep posting.

Cheers
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Old February 11th 19, 08:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 11:59:32 PM UTC, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

As long as people reply to him here Tom will keep posting.


And who the **** are you to say who may post here, Anonymous Bitchalot?

If you don't want to read what Tom says, then don't. You're in a thread Tom started. If you're too dumb to see it was started by Tom, about a subject that you don't want to read about, nobody can help you, and nobody will want to because you're best left to Darwin.

Cheers


Nothing cheerful about the morons whose sole "contribution" is a dull whine about who they want excluded.

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