Is Sylvia Schenk behind the Armstrong affair ?

As the Lab had no way to know the rider's names when they did the EPO test
last year, the minutes linking the figures and the riders seems to come
from....UCI ( Union Cycliste Internationale - Switzeland).

According the today article (Express

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/sciences...asp?ida=434551
)


Sylvia Schenk (Germany) did it as a way for better to affect Hein
Verbruggen - close to Lance - (and his protege Pat McQuaid) weak on the
doping fight;

I gave time ago my list of the potential ennemies behind the Lance affair,
so pls to the list

Emma O'Reilly + Ferrari + Mike Anderson + Greg LeMond + Texan insurance
company SCA + l'Equipe + Leblanc + Ex-Miss Armstrong + Filippo Simeoni +
Patrice Halgand + Ludovic Turpin + the French (or Chirac, of course)
include now

Sylvia Schenk and the ex-USPS soigneur Ron Jongen .....

A lot of people .....

Montesquiou wrote:
As the Lab had no way to know the rider's names when they did the EPO test
last year, the minutes linking the figures and the riders seems to come
from....UCI ( Union Cycliste Internationale - Switzeland).

According the today article (Express

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/sciences...asp?ida=434551
)


Sylvia Schenk (Germany) did it as a way for better to affect Hein
Verbruggen - close to Lance - (and his protege Pat McQuaid) weak on the
doping fight;

I gave time ago my list of the potential ennemies behind the Lance affair,
so pls to the list

Emma O'Reilly + Ferrari + Mike Anderson + Greg LeMond + Texan insurance
company SCA + l'Equipe + Leblanc + Ex-Miss Armstrong + Filippo Simeoni +
Patrice Halgand + Ludovic Turpin + the French (or Chirac, of course)
include now

Sylvia Schenk and the ex-USPS soigneur Ron Jongen .....

A lot of people .....

The more I think about this, and I'm not sure if you've followed any
of the stuff, the more this really resembles the Barry Bonds situation.
if you set aside Lance's goodwill from the cancer work, I think he'd be
getting hit just as hard.
Each has supposedly failed tests. Lance has Ferrari, Bonds had Balco.
You've got LA Confidential with Lance, and this stuff
:http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B4212BB with Bonds. Canseco is
equivalent to Lemond
There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.
Bill C

"Bill C" a écrit dans le message de news:
...

Montesquiou wrote:
As the Lab had no way to know the rider's names when they did the EPO
test
last year, the minutes linking the figures and the riders seems to come
from....UCI ( Union Cycliste Internationale - Switzeland).

According the today article (Express

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/sciences...asp?ida=434551
)


Sylvia Schenk (Germany) did it as a way for better to affect Hein
Verbruggen - close to Lance - (and his protege Pat McQuaid) weak on the
doping fight;

I gave time ago my list of the potential ennemies behind the Lance
affair,
so pls to the list

Emma O'Reilly + Ferrari + Mike Anderson + Greg LeMond + Texan insurance
company SCA + l'Equipe + Leblanc + Ex-Miss Armstrong + Filippo Simeoni +
Patrice Halgand + Ludovic Turpin + the French (or Chirac, of course)
include now

Sylvia Schenk and the ex-USPS soigneur Ron Jongen .....

A lot of people .....

The more I think about this, and I'm not sure if you've followed any
of the stuff, the more this really resembles the Barry Bonds situation.
if you set aside Lance's goodwill from the cancer work, I think he'd be
getting hit just as hard.
Each has supposedly failed tests. Lance has Ferrari, Bonds had Balco.
You've got LA Confidential with Lance, and this stuff
:http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B4212BB with Bonds. Canseco is
equivalent to Lemond
There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.
Bill C


I use to follow the affair in a very " cynic " way.

Too much money, too much financial interest, too much political interest.

"Bill C" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.

It's interesting to note that even though bond's head is two sizes bigger,
people still support him. It's all a conspiracy to protect the Babe, you
know?

There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.

It's interesting to note that even though bond's head is two sizes bigger,
people still support him. It's all a conspiracy to protect the Babe, you
know?

You're confusing "support" with people wanting to be entertained. Watching
him come to the plate, knowing what he's capable of doing to the opposing
pitcher... even if it's a rude combination of incredible raw talent +
steroids, it's still impressive to watch. It's hard to put a finger on why
people are generally more tolerant of Barry Bonds than some of the other
guys who have been taken down recently though. I hope it's not something as
simple as "He's made a winner out of our team, so we'll forgive his
transgressions."

But ultimately, what the fans want is for the Giants to win, even more than
they want to see Barry hit home runs (which is a problem for those of us in
Northern California, since Barry seems to shut down during the playoffs...
sigh...). But for cycling, most fans don't think in terms of the Discovery
guys winning a "team" victory, no matter how much Lance says he couldn't do
it without them. Rather, cycling focuses much more on a single individual's
efforts, in this case, Lance. Little else on the team matters. It would be
like a baseball team designing their roster entirely around one person, just
to make that single person look as good as possible.

As much as cycling is a "team" sport, it's quite individual compared to
Baseball, Basketball, Hockey, Football (either type)...

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"TM" wrote in message ...

"Bill C" wrote in message
oups.com...

There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.

It's interesting to note that even though bond's head is two sizes bigger,
people still support him. It's all a conspiracy to protect the Babe, you
know?

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
.. .

You're confusing "support" with people wanting to be entertained.

I meant that there are still people who believe barry bonds... just as there
will be people who believe tyler and lance no matter what.

I'm continually struck by the highly intelligent people posting here who use
their intellect to explain away a simple fact that doesn't agree with what
they thought was true.

I really wanted both of those guys to be clean, but I just can't drink the
kool-aid of self deception that is necessary to believe they are.

The next step is what you are discussing. I can understand people who say
barry and lance are users and I don't care, or, barry and lance are users
and I do care. It is the barry and lance are clean and would never do such
a thing because they are my hero crowd that stuns me.

The next step is what you are discussing. I can understand people who say
barry and lance are users and I don't care, or, barry and lance are users
and I do care. It is the barry and lance are clean and would never do
such a thing because they are my hero crowd that stuns me.

Very few people (intelligent or otherwise) believe Barry Bonds to be clean.
That includes me. On the other hand, I'm still not convinced, beyond a
reasonable doubt, that Lance is dirty via EPO. I have no problem believing
that he pushed every possible button he could, including some that might be
questionable, to get an edge. But doing things that might likely resut in a
positive sample, or even things that depend upon secrecy, where the
slightest chance of discovery would result in a 2-year suspension...

Time will tell.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"TM" wrote in message ...

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
.. .

You're confusing "support" with people wanting to be entertained.

I meant that there are still people who believe barry bonds... just as
there will be people who believe tyler and lance no matter what.

I'm continually struck by the highly intelligent people posting here who
use their intellect to explain away a simple fact that doesn't agree with
what they thought was true.

I really wanted both of those guys to be clean, but I just can't drink the
kool-aid of self deception that is necessary to believe they are.

The next step is what you are discussing. I can understand people who say
barry and lance are users and I don't care, or, barry and lance are users
and I do care. It is the barry and lance are clean and would never do
such a thing because they are my hero crowd that stuns me.

"Bill C" wrote in message
oups.com...

Montesquiou wrote:
As the Lab had no way to know the rider's names when they did the EPO
test
last year, the minutes linking the figures and the riders seems to come
from....UCI ( Union Cycliste Internationale - Switzeland).

According the today article (Express

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/sciences...asp?ida=434551
)


Sylvia Schenk (Germany) did it as a way for better to affect Hein
Verbruggen - close to Lance - (and his protege Pat McQuaid) weak on the
doping fight;

I gave time ago my list of the potential ennemies behind the Lance
affair,
so pls to the list

Emma O'Reilly + Ferrari + Mike Anderson + Greg LeMond + Texan insurance
company SCA + l'Equipe + Leblanc + Ex-Miss Armstrong + Filippo Simeoni +
Patrice Halgand + Ludovic Turpin + the French (or Chirac, of course)
include now

Sylvia Schenk and the ex-USPS soigneur Ron Jongen .....

A lot of people .....

The more I think about this, and I'm not sure if you've followed any
of the stuff, the more this really resembles the Barry Bonds situation.
if you set aside Lance's goodwill from the cancer work, I think he'd be
getting hit just as hard.
Each has supposedly failed tests. Lance has Ferrari, Bonds had Balco.
You've got LA Confidential with Lance, and this stuff
:http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2B4212BB with Bonds. Canseco is
equivalent to Lemond
There are just a ton of paralells here, though my personal opinion is
that the hard evidence is much solider against Bonds, it's still not a
good scene for Lance.
Bill C


A letter from today's VeloNews:

Editor:
Who am I describing: Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong?
Child prodigy.
World-class athlete.
Late in career, had substantial improvement in already world-class
performance.
Breaks records long believed unbreakable.
Associated with known users of performance-enhancing drugs.
Associated with known providers of performance-enhancing drugs. Accused in
print by associates of drug use.
Has history of bad relations with the sporting press.
Relies on zero positive tests as proof of innocence.
Not in competition at this time.

The answer is: Both of them.

If you believe that only one of them is innocent or guilty, your bias is
showing.

Michael Giunta
Simsbury, Connecticut

Well..

As we all know, testing in baseball is a lot more lacadasical than in
cycling. Does anyone NOT agree with that? Testing in baseball was and
is still a joke. The testing in cycling is a hell of a lot more in
depth than just about any other sport out there today. And still,
it's not as good as it could be. Tell me about the last time someone
showed up at Bonds' door on a random day to ask for a **** test. If
that ever did happen, I'm sure he'd tell them to **** off, and be
done with it, and nothing would happen.

Tom

B. Lafferty wrote:
A letter from today's VeloNews:

Editor:
Who am I describing: Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong?
Child prodigy.
World-class athlete.
Late in career, had substantial improvement in already world-class
performance.
Breaks records long believed unbreakable.
Associated with known users of performance-enhancing drugs.
Associated with known providers of performance-enhancing drugs. Accused in
print by associates of drug use.
Has history of bad relations with the sporting press.

Only in foreign countries. In the US Lance gets better press than
Jesus.

Relies on zero positive tests as proof of innocence.
Not in competition at this time.

The answer is: Both of them.

If you believe that only one of them is innocent or guilty, your bias is
showing.

Michael Giunta
Simsbury, Connecticut

I marvel at Mr. Giunta's powers of perceptiveness. Still, he left out a
few:
* Is over five feet in height.
* Possesses at least one testicle.
* Has at some point in his life ridden on a bike or other vehicle.
* Takes drugs.

Coincidence?? I think not.

Thanks,
Smurf