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Bow Wrote: Strangely enough, we can turn right from the left lane of a roundabout, which is legalalizing suicide if you ask me! but cars exitting the roundabout about don't have to give way to us. -- aeek |
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"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
"DRS" wrote in message ... "hippy" wrote in message [...] I hit the passenger door of a car last night (actually the night before - I wrote this yesterday) coming to some lights. As I passed on his left (legal.. I hope ) he turned towards a slip lane when I was beside him. He did indicate, but it was only AS he turned so I could only do my best to swerve around. In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left but the situation you describe is all to common and puts you in an impossible situation. The situation described is entirely legal for hippy, in Victoria. It is legal to pass stopped traffic on the left, and any driver turning left must give suitable indication in advance and if staionary, ensure that he does not turn on top of any cyclists coming past. The driver f*$&ed up! The hard bit is to pick when the cars begin moving before you pass on the left. I usually moderate my speed as the cars begin to move then move into the flow of traffic ahead of a stationary vehicle. When Hippy wrote that the driver "turned towards a slip lane" I assumed the car was in motion. In that instance Victorian Road Rule 141(2) should apply: "The rider of a bicycle must not ride past, or overtake, to the left of a vehicle that is turning left and is giving a left change of direction signal." http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_11.pdf -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
... The situation described is entirely legal for hippy, in Victoria. It is I was 'reasonably' sure what I was doing was right.. not turn on top of any cyclists coming past. The driver f*$&ed up! The hard bit is to pick when the cars begin moving before you pass on the left. I usually moderate my speed as the cars begin to move then move into the flow of traffic ahead of a stationary vehicle. Actually, the thing is the traffic had stopped totally, hence I had no reason to think that any of the cars would be moving. He only crept forward a couple of feet I guess, but it was enough. After the tap I waited 10m down at the lights for a minute or two before the guy had enough room to actually make the slip lane. I looked at him when he was waiting for the cross traffic to pass, but his lack of acknowledgement or anything makes me think he didn't even notice me.. meh.. hippy |
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"DRS" wrote in message
... When Hippy wrote that the driver "turned towards a slip lane" I assumed the car was in motion. In that instance Victorian Road Rule 141(2) should apply: "The rider of a bicycle must not ride past, or overtake, to the left of a vehicle that is turning left and is giving a left change of direction signal." http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_11.pdf The car was stationary and displayed no indicator until I was beside it. If I thought the car was going to move I wouldn't have ridden beside it... no biggie, I get just as angry when I get a red light at the bottom of a nice hill! hippy |
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"DRS" writes:
[...] In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left Indicating? What is this new and facinating thing you call "Indicating"? I've noticed that alot of car's don't indicate, esp when turning off of expressways. -- Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more. Free the Memes. |
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? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} Wrote: "DRS" writes: [...] In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left Indicating? What is this new and facinating thing you call "Indicating"? I've noticed that alot of car's don't indicate, esp when turning off of expressways. -- Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more. Free the Memes. aint there some minumum prior distance before enacting the 'indicated' act that a driver must follow? -- flyingdutch |
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"flyingdutch" wrote
in message ? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} Wrote: "DRS" writes: [...] In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left Indicating? What is this new and facinating thing you call "Indicating"? I've noticed that alot of car's don't indicate, esp when turning off of expressways. That is true. aint there some minumum prior distance before enacting the 'indicated' act that a driver must follow? Funnily enough, no. Victorian Road Rules 46(2) (left turn) and 48(2) (right turn) simply say "The driver must give the change of direction signal for long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians." http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_05.pdf -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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DRS Wrote: "flyingdutch" wrote in message ? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} Wrote: "DRS" writes: [...] In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left Indicating? What is this new and facinating thing you call "Indicating"? I've noticed that alot of car's don't indicate, esp when turning off of expressways. That is true. aint there some minumum prior distance before enacting the 'indicated' act that a driver must follow? Funnily enough, no. Victorian Road Rules 46(2) (left turn) and 48(2) (right turn) simply say "The driver must give the change of direction signal for long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians." http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_05.pdf -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? "Sufficient warning"? That's mostly two clicks, if they bother to treat you as a valid road user. Being cut off by peripherally blind motorists is one of the several top causes of bad crashes I've had. M"Implant wing mirrors in ther skulls!"H -- mfhor |
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The law seems to imply that indicating and intitiating the intended movement
AT THE SAME TIME is not acceptable. This is what tends to happen! "DRS" wrote in message ... "flyingdutch" wrote in message ? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} Wrote: "DRS" writes: [...] In Victoria it is illegal for bikes to pass a car on the left that is indicating it is going to turn left Indicating? What is this new and facinating thing you call "Indicating"? I've noticed that alot of car's don't indicate, esp when turning off of expressways. That is true. aint there some minumum prior distance before enacting the 'indicated' act that a driver must follow? Funnily enough, no. Victorian Road Rules 46(2) (left turn) and 48(2) (right turn) simply say "The driver must give the change of direction signal for long enough to give sufficient warning to other drivers and pedestrians." http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_05.pdf -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"Paulus" wrote in message
The law seems to imply that indicating and intitiating the intended movement AT THE SAME TIME is not acceptable. This is what tends to happen! Yes. It's almost as bad as top-posting. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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