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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
What do you think of this offer?
Your chain has arrived. I want to offer you a great solution and price and just plan on changing your rear derailleur and shifters (and chain) which I think will make life MUCH nicer for you. I can order the parts for Tuesday delivery and change them out for you on Wednesday while you wait. The issue with your bike is a lot of wear and tear and not being 100% sure of which part is truly the shifting issue. The new derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain would be right at about $60 (labor included). It's 50% off normal price but think it would make a world of difference for you. If you want me to order what you need, I can go ahead...just let me know. |
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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:51:02 PM UTC-4, AK wrote:
What do you think of this offer? Your chain has arrived. I want to offer you a great solution and price and just plan on changing your rear derailleur and shifters (and chain) which I think will make life MUCH nicer for you. I can order the parts for Tuesday delivery and change them out for you on Wednesday while you wait. The issue with your bike is a lot of wear and tear and not being 100% sure of which part is truly the shifting issue. The new derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain would be right at about $60 (labor included). It's 50% off normal price but think it would make a world of difference for you. If you want me to order what you need, I can go ahead...just let me know. If you trust the shop, go for it. |
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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 3:56:38 PM UTC-5, Ashevilliot wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:51:02 PM UTC-4, AK wrote: What do you think of this offer? Your chain has arrived. I want to offer you a great solution and price and just plan on changing your rear derailleur and shifters (and chain) which I think will make life MUCH nicer for you. I can order the parts for Tuesday delivery and change them out for you on Wednesday while you wait. The issue with your bike is a lot of wear and tear and not being 100% sure of which part is truly the shifting issue. The new derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain would be right at about $60 (labor included). It's 50% off normal price but think it would make a world of difference for you. If you want me to order what you need, I can go ahead...just let me know. If you trust the shop, go for it. thanks, I have done business there before. Andy |
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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote: What do you think of this offer? Ask what the "Normal Price" is and what maker and model components you will be getting for the unspecified amount. If the shop is supplying name brand components with a good reputation for quality at a reasonable price, go for it. If it's some unknown and no-name brand of components, perhaps it's not a good idea at any price. In other words, get a real written estimate on the cost of the components plus the labor. There are also some details to consider: 1. Is there a warranty on the work? 2. What happens if the shifting problem is present with the new hardware? 3. If you are planning to learn something about bicycle mechanics from this exercise, it's not going to happen by having the LBS do all the work. Buy the components and do it yourself. If you screw it up, you can always go back to the LBS and have them do the necessary adjustments. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 6:37:19 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: What do you think of this offer? Ask what the "Normal Price" is and what maker and model components you will be getting for the unspecified amount. If the shop is supplying name brand components with a good reputation for quality at a reasonable price, go for it. If it's some unknown and no-name brand of components, perhaps it's not a good idea at any price. In other words, get a real written estimate on the cost of the components plus the labor. There are also some details to consider: 1. Is there a warranty on the work? 2. What happens if the shifting problem is present with the new hardware? 3. If you are planning to learn something about bicycle mechanics from this exercise, it's not going to happen by having the LBS do all the work. Buy the components and do it yourself. If you screw it up, you can always go back to the LBS and have them do the necessary adjustments. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 You gave me some things to consider. Much of what needs to be done is completely new to me. The parts alone are close to $60. I like learning and have watched him make other repairs and learned from it. There are plenty of bike repair videos, but some things do not go smoothly when done the first time. Andy |
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Offer.... New derailleur, shifters, handlebar grips, cables and chain
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 6:37:19 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: What do you think of this offer? Ask what the "Normal Price" is and what maker and model components you will be getting for the unspecified amount. If the shop is supplying name brand components with a good reputation for quality at a reasonable price, go for it. If it's some unknown and no-name brand of components, perhaps it's not a good idea at any price. In other words, get a real written estimate on the cost of the components plus the labor. There are also some details to consider: 1. Is there a warranty on the work? 2. What happens if the shifting problem is present with the new hardware? 3. If you are planning to learn something about bicycle mechanics from this exercise, it's not going to happen by having the LBS do all the work. Buy the components and do it yourself. If you screw it up, you can always go back to the LBS and have them do the necessary adjustments. You gave me some things to consider. The parts alone are close to $60. That was the general idea. 50% off of full list price might not be such a great deal if the list price is inflated and if everyone in town is selling the groupset for the discounted price. I suggest you get a better estimate of what this will cost you. Much of what needs to be done is completely new to me. I like learning and have watched him make other repairs and learned from it. Notice that my domain is "Learn by Destroying". You really don't understand how something works until you accidentally break it, and are then forced to fix it yourself. You learn much more about how something works with hands on experience and desperation, than by observation. Mimicking what the expert mechanic will get the bicycle fixed much faster than trial and error or learn by destroying, but even will not show you how things work. To fix a shifting problem, you should put the bicycle up on a stand, and watch the components closely while you shift up and down the gears. Look for something that isn't right, like a bad chain line, failure of the chain to mesh with the gears (usually caused by worn gears and/or worn chain), or simple things like the wrong chain length. Compare how your bicycle shifts with another bicycle that is known to work. If you have a slow motion feature on a smartphone or digital camera, use it to get a closer and slower look at the action. Since this is all new to you, I suggest you dive into the works of the great Sheldon Brown: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bicycleGears.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com/repairs.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com and read about your particular area of interest. Don't worry if you don't understand everything. I don't think any of the participants in this newsgroup know everything on Sheldon's web pages. If you're stuck, ask SPECIFIC questions here or in other forums. Be prepared to make some mistakes. That's what learn by destroying really means. I you haven't broken (or destroyed) it, and then fixed it, you don't understand it. You can't learn bicycle repair by watching someone else do it. You have to get your hands dirty and do it yourself. However, when you're done, you really understand it. If you're into the technology and science, as your email address suggests, there are some books worth reading: Bicycling Science 3rd edition by David Gordon Wilson: https://www.alibris.com/Bicycling-Science-David-Gordon-Wilson/book/17828968 Published in 2004, it's a bit dated after 15 years, but most of the content is still very applicable. You won't find anything on 27 speed gearing, fixies, carbon fiber, mountain bike suspensions, and eBikes, but everything else should be there. There are plenty of bike repair videos, but some things do not go smoothly when done the first time. You're being overly optimistic. NOTHING goes smoothly the first time you try it. When I work on something new, everything takes 5 times too long, things blow up, things happen that I don't understand, and I usually have to start over at least once. The 2nd time, things go faster and better. After a few more attempts, and after I gain confidence and experience, things go quickly and smoothly. If you're into Zen, "one must suffer before enlightenment". The YouTube bicycle repair videos are very useful. However, due to the video time constraint, they move along much quicker than reality. The video may show a groupset transplant and adjustment in 10 minutes, while in real time, it takes up to an hour or more. Don't be disappointed if you're not quick and/or instantly proficient after watching a few videos. Don't be disappointed if you have to tear it all apart, and start over from scratch. Don't worry about breaking something. It happens. When adjusting the derailleurs, don't be surprised if you don't get it right the first time. If you're stuck, don't bang your head against the wall. Just ask someone who knows. Good luck and may your learning experience be less painful than mine was. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 7:43:01 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 6:37:19 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: What do you think of this offer? Ask what the "Normal Price" is and what maker and model components you will be getting for the unspecified amount. If the shop is supplying name brand components with a good reputation for quality at a reasonable price, go for it. If it's some unknown and no-name brand of components, perhaps it's not a good idea at any price. In other words, get a real written estimate on the cost of the components plus the labor. There are also some details to consider: 1. Is there a warranty on the work? 2. What happens if the shifting problem is present with the new hardware? 3. If you are planning to learn something about bicycle mechanics from this exercise, it's not going to happen by having the LBS do all the work. Buy the components and do it yourself. If you screw it up, you can always go back to the LBS and have them do the necessary adjustments. You gave me some things to consider. The parts alone are close to $60. That was the general idea. 50% off of full list price might not be such a great deal if the list price is inflated and if everyone in town is selling the groupset for the discounted price. I suggest you get a better estimate of what this will cost you. Much of what needs to be done is completely new to me. I like learning and have watched him make other repairs and learned from it. Notice that my domain is "Learn by Destroying". You really don't understand how something works until you accidentally break it, and are then forced to fix it yourself. You learn much more about how something works with hands on experience and desperation, than by observation. Mimicking what the expert mechanic will get the bicycle fixed much faster than trial and error or learn by destroying, but even will not show you how things work. To fix a shifting problem, you should put the bicycle up on a stand, and watch the components closely while you shift up and down the gears. Look for something that isn't right, like a bad chain line, failure of the chain to mesh with the gears (usually caused by worn gears and/or worn chain), or simple things like the wrong chain length. Compare how your bicycle shifts with another bicycle that is known to work. If you have a slow motion feature on a smartphone or digital camera, use it to get a closer and slower look at the action. Since this is all new to you, I suggest you dive into the works of the great Sheldon Brown: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bicycleGears.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com/repairs.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com and read about your particular area of interest. Don't worry if you don't understand everything. I don't think any of the participants in this newsgroup know everything on Sheldon's web pages. If you're stuck, ask SPECIFIC questions here or in other forums. Be prepared to make some mistakes. That's what learn by destroying really means. I you haven't broken (or destroyed) it, and then fixed it, you don't understand it. You can't learn bicycle repair by watching someone else do it. You have to get your hands dirty and do it yourself. However, when you're done, you really understand it. If you're into the technology and science, as your email address suggests, there are some books worth reading: Bicycling Science 3rd edition by David Gordon Wilson: https://www.alibris.com/Bicycling-Science-David-Gordon-Wilson/book/17828968 Published in 2004, it's a bit dated after 15 years, but most of the content is still very applicable. You won't find anything on 27 speed gearing, fixies, carbon fiber, mountain bike suspensions, and eBikes, but everything else should be there. There are plenty of bike repair videos, but some things do not go smoothly when done the first time. You're being overly optimistic. NOTHING goes smoothly the first time you try it. When I work on something new, everything takes 5 times too long, things blow up, things happen that I don't understand, and I usually have to start over at least once. The 2nd time, things go faster and better. After a few more attempts, and after I gain confidence and experience, things go quickly and smoothly. If you're into Zen, "one must suffer before enlightenment". The YouTube bicycle repair videos are very useful. However, due to the video time constraint, they move along much quicker than reality. The video may show a groupset transplant and adjustment in 10 minutes, while in real time, it takes up to an hour or more. Don't be disappointed if you're not quick and/or instantly proficient after watching a few videos. Don't be disappointed if you have to tear it all apart, and start over from scratch. Don't worry about breaking something. It happens. When adjusting the derailleurs, don't be surprised if you don't get it right the first time. If you're stuck, don't bang your head against the wall. Just ask someone who knows. Good luck and may your learning experience be less painful than mine was. Gads, in the era of YouTube, there are no mysteries -- although every time I try to find the repair video for my particular two-stroke yard-whacking-thing by brand and model, the only relevant video is usually shot by some drunk home-mechanic with a smart phone and DTs in a dark room. Things swish and swoosh by . . . was that the carb? . . . where does that gasket go? -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 21:12:56 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote: Gads, in the era of YouTube, there are no mysteries -- although every time I try to find the repair video for my particular two-stroke yard-whacking-thing by brand and model, the only relevant video is usually shot by some drunk home-mechanic with a smart phone and DTs in a dark room. Things swish and swoosh by . . . was that the carb? . . . where does that gasket go? Of course. Such videos were not designed for you or me. They were designed to be viewed by drunken home mechanics with DT's. Most amateur cinematographers do not have the equipment, talent, or time to create a proper video. The results, as you describe, are predictable. Looking through the user comments, the typical viewer is not much better than the drunken amateur cinematographer. I watch far too many YouTube videos. While the production quality of the amateur videos are generally awful, the information and content are often superior to professionally made videos, which tend to emphasize entertainment value over information and content. If the video is difficult to see, otto focus, garbled audio, shaky camera, etc, it is often worth the time and effort to single step through videos to extract the necessary details. If you use a browser to watch YouTube, there are fast-forward and rewind extension to make this easier: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/controls-for-youtube/doocmbmlcnbbdohogchldhlikjpndpng https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...nlijacdniggpjn. YouTube Statistics - 2019 https://biographon.com/youtube-stats/ Got some spare kids? Put them to work: The youngest YouTube star Ryan ToysReview who is 6 years old made $11,000,000 in 2017. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 9:43:01 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:34:27 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 6:37:19 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:51:01 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: What do you think of this offer? Ask what the "Normal Price" is and what maker and model components you will be getting for the unspecified amount. If the shop is supplying name brand components with a good reputation for quality at a reasonable price, go for it. If it's some unknown and no-name brand of components, perhaps it's not a good idea at any price. In other words, get a real written estimate on the cost of the components plus the labor. There are also some details to consider: 1. Is there a warranty on the work? 2. What happens if the shifting problem is present with the new hardware? 3. If you are planning to learn something about bicycle mechanics from this exercise, it's not going to happen by having the LBS do all the work. Buy the components and do it yourself. If you screw it up, you can always go back to the LBS and have them do the necessary adjustments. You gave me some things to consider. The parts alone are close to $60. That was the general idea. 50% off of full list price might not be such a great deal if the list price is inflated and if everyone in town is selling the groupset for the discounted price. I suggest you get a better estimate of what this will cost you. Much of what needs to be done is completely new to me. I like learning and have watched him make other repairs and learned from it. Notice that my domain is "Learn by Destroying". You really don't understand how something works until you accidentally break it, and are then forced to fix it yourself. You learn much more about how something works with hands on experience and desperation, than by observation. Mimicking what the expert mechanic will get the bicycle fixed much faster than trial and error or learn by destroying, but even will not show you how things work. To fix a shifting problem, you should put the bicycle up on a stand, and watch the components closely while you shift up and down the gears. Look for something that isn't right, like a bad chain line, failure of the chain to mesh with the gears (usually caused by worn gears and/or worn chain), or simple things like the wrong chain length. Compare how your bicycle shifts with another bicycle that is known to work. If you have a slow motion feature on a smartphone or digital camera, use it to get a closer and slower look at the action. Since this is all new to you, I suggest you dive into the works of the great Sheldon Brown: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bicycleGears.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com/repairs.html https://www.sheldonbrown.com and read about your particular area of interest. Don't worry if you don't understand everything. I don't think any of the participants in this newsgroup know everything on Sheldon's web pages. If you're stuck, ask SPECIFIC questions here or in other forums. Be prepared to make some mistakes. That's what learn by destroying really means. I you haven't broken (or destroyed) it, and then fixed it, you don't understand it. You can't learn bicycle repair by watching someone else do it. You have to get your hands dirty and do it yourself. However, when you're done, you really understand it. If you're into the technology and science, as your email address suggests, there are some books worth reading: Bicycling Science 3rd edition by David Gordon Wilson: You're being overly optimistic. NOTHING goes smoothly the first time you try it. When I work on something new, everything takes 5 times too long, things blow up, things happen that I don't understand, and I Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Looks like you have had a lot of bad luck but the impt thing is you learned from it. Many things I have done for the first time have gone very smoothly. Andy |
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