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Should Cyclists Pack Guns?
On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote:
Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. It absolutely does not need to be "re thought". It chafes already that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" somehow came to mean "you can keep small arms if you don't overly frighten your neighbors". |
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On 1 May 2007 11:53:51 -0700, evelyn wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Curtis L. Russell wrote: On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote: I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to launch a good nonviolent campaign? I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia Tech campus? And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think you made some point or another. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to carry around on my rides. Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. Rock on ! I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. Think of it as a weight on a training belt - people pay good money for that stuff ! :-) BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, and there are too many out there. Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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On Tue, 1 May 2007 14:26:31 -0500, "Mike Young"
wrote: On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. Yes, in fact, they do. It absolutely does not need to be "re thought". It chafes already that "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" somehow came to mean "you can keep small arms if you don't overly frighten your neighbors". -- Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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evelyn wrote in
ps.com: Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. Uh,the Second Amendment is not about hunting or sporting.It's about having the means to "alter or to abolish" a government gone bad,as it states in the Declaration of Independence. It's not about "need",either.Government does not get to determine what law abiding citizens "need" or don't need. And sometimes,it's necessary to kill a bad guy. (and why do YOU carry a gun then?) Are you aware that to legally OWN a machine gun,one must have a REGISTERED MG,and be background checked,fingerprinted,pay a $200 Federal tax,and get the approval of a local law enforcement official(LEO)? And in some states,you STILL can't own a full-auto weapon. The number of legal registered MGs is FIXED,and one cannot buy NEW full- auto firearms since 1968.(excluding government and LEOs) Also,only ONE legally owned,registered machine gun has been criminally used since the 1934 NFA was enacted. However lots of people DO own full-auto firearms,and shoot them for sport.They are VERY expensive because of the limited supply of *registered* weapons. Any time you see or read about machine guns being used in crimes,they are not LEGALLY OWNED,and were likely smuggled into the US,or illegal conversions of legal semi-auto guns. BTW,the Federal Gov't is missing over 600 of their guns,some machine guns. Orlando police had two MG's stolen from a unmarked patrol car,one a silenced machine pistol.Other PDs are missing/"lost" some of their guns. One year,it was found that 40% of guns recovered from crimes in DC were missing from the DC police EVIDENCE LOCKER.Police were illegally selling guns from the evidence lockers. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, and there are too many out there. Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia I hope you have the proper carry permit for legal concealed carry. Otherwise,you also are a criminal. IIRC,open carry is legal in VA. That means you could legally carry it in a *visible* holster,but not IN a fanny pack. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. It's probably good they don't have guns, look at how many people already get maimed and killed at their Soccer (Football) games without guns, with weapons, it would be a slaughter. |
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Jim Yanik wrote in
: evelyn wrote in ps.com: Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. Uh,the Second Amendment is not about hunting or sporting.It's about having the means to "alter or to abolish" a government gone bad,as it states in the Declaration of Independence. It's not about "need",either.Government does not get to determine what law abiding citizens "need" or don't need. And sometimes,it's necessary to kill a bad guy. (and why do YOU carry a gun then?) Are you aware that to legally OWN a machine gun,one must have a REGISTERED MG,and be background checked,fingerprinted,pay a $200 Federal tax,and get the approval of a local law enforcement official(LEO)? And in some states,you STILL can't own a full-auto weapon. The number of legal registered MGs is FIXED,and one cannot buy NEW full- auto firearms since 1968.(excluding government and LEOs) Also,only ONE legally owned,registered machine gun has been criminally used since the 1934 NFA was enacted. and that was a retired police officer! -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On 1 May 2007 11:53:51 -0700, evelyn wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:51 am, Just A User wrote: Curtis L. Russell wrote: On 19 Apr 2007 08:34:20 -0700, donquijote1954 wrote: I guess we cyclists are too pacific for that (or just that we aren't Republicans), but in light of all that violence out there, shouldn't we rethink our strategy (everyone to himself) and get together to launch a good nonviolent campaign? I don't expect 'normal' from you, but don't you find this just a little bit tasteless considering what just happened on the Virginia Tech campus? And using 'Republicans' must be your way to compensate for not being able to actually make a complete, cogent thought on your own. I'm sure there are some reflexive 'thinkers' such as yourself that will think you made some point or another. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... Upon mentioning VA Tech, I have to put in my two cents, Cho was a wack job, but personally I think the right to bear arm part of the constitution needs to be re thought. In countries, such as the U.K. where gun control laws are very strict, they don't have incidents like those at the campus on Monday. Now as to cyclists packing heat, thats just extra weight I don't want to carry around on my rides. Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hi! I just read a couple of the items here...but I am a cyclist who packs. I have a 38 revolver that fits right into a fanny pack that I wear when I ride. I am a female and ride in rural areas by myself (haven't found a riding partner yet!) and I will not be a woman who goes out for a ride or a run and not come back. I am not concerned with time or the extra weight that the gun adds. I would rather be safe than sorry. BUT....As I agree that I have the right to carry a gun, I don't agree with owning the crazy machine guns, we don't need them, hunters don't need them; the sole purpose is to kill. What's your 38 for? Face it, some people just need killin'. I do agree that it is too easy to get guns in the US, No, there aren't. Having too many guns is like having too much money - its impossible. and there are too many out there. Too many for what? Dave Head Thanks, Evelyn Ziennker-Lee Virginia You have all the rights that you're willing to fight for. |
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Stephen! wrote:
Perhaps he was... but then again, the number of hours it took you pedalestrians to read those few lines was that many more hours you weren't out impeding the flow of traffic. Quit your whining. Bicyclists are traffic, and by definition don't impede it. I've never been "impeded" by biyclists when I drive my car or motorcycle, so why are you so inept that passing such a slow vehicle is a problem? Wayne |
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"Wayne Pein" wrote in message
... Stephen! wrote: Perhaps he was... but then again, the number of hours it took you pedalestrians to read those few lines was that many more hours you weren't out impeding the flow of traffic. Quit your whining. Bicyclists are traffic, and by definition don't impede it. I've never been "impeded" by biyclists when I drive my car or motorcycle, so why are you so inept that passing such a slow vehicle is a problem? By law in IL, bicyclists are entitled to the full width of the traffic lane. Most of the time, especially in the city, they tend to hug the curb side of the curb lane, allowing motorized traffic to go by. Every now and again, though, a militant bunch or another blocks up the two lane suburban artery roads here with their 15 mph asses. Traffic? Yeah, I suppose they are. Special status in the law, however, shouldn't preclude courtesy and consideration for others. Come to think of it, grown men wearing brightly colored leotards have very little to say that might interest me. |
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Mike Young wrote:
By law in IL, bicyclists are entitled to the full width of the traffic lane. Most of the time, especially in the city, they tend to hug the curb side of the curb lane, allowing motorized traffic to go by. How thoughtful of them. I don't suppose bicyclists get any credit in your accounting scheme for that? Of course, you should know that there is no advantage to riding near the side of the road, only disadvantages like poor sight lines, less conspicuity, and motorists trying to squeeze by when its unsafe to do so. But I guess if motorists are allowed to pass and you are a motorist its all good for you. Every now and again, though, a militant bunch or another blocks up the two lane suburban artery roads here with their 15 mph asses. What makes you think they are militant rather than merely exercising their right to use the lane? And why don't you pass in the oncoming lane? Oh I know, its full of other motorists. Traffic? Yeah, I suppose they are. Special status in the law, however, shouldn't preclude courtesy and consideration for others. No special status. Just status. According to your logic, although bicyclists are entitled to use of the full lane like other road users, they must be "courteous" and allow you to use it for passing them. If they don't, then they are militant. Come to think of it, grown men wearing brightly colored leotards have very little to say that might interest me. Why would they want to talk to you? You're a selfish, illogical lout who doesn't ride a bike unless it has a mechanical engine and who doesn't have the sense to understand that hi viz clothing is useful. Wayne |
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