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Cyclist at war!
S'mee wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:30 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Elitest scum. Context man! Take that mass what ever the hell you call yourselves and go eat a spoke sideways. I have never participated in a Critical Mass ride and have no plans to. Judging all bicyclists by Critical Mass is like judging all motorcyclists by the handful of anti-social criminal gang members. -- There needs to be a space after the two dashes, i.e. "-- ". -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Cyclist at war!
S'mee wrote:
On Oct 18, 9:22 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: S'mee wrote: On Oct 16, 1:58 pm, KingOfTheApes SNIP Maybe motorcyclists do it for looks when they refuse to wear a helmet. No it looks stupid to not wear a helmet. Regardless of whether you ride a bicycle or a motorcycle. If you choose not to...let the consequences be on your head. Me I'm wearing a helmet.[...] There are NO properly done studies that show that BICYCLE helmets have any significant effect in reducing serious head injuries or deaths. The much heavier motorcycle helmet should not be compared to the foam bicycle hat. Something is better than nothing. There is no evidence to prove that contention. Whole population studies show no benefit to wearing bicycle foam hats. The minimal energy absorption is likely offset by the greater rotation acceleration cause by the effective increase in head diameter. Not only that but nobody that I'm aware of has the guts to do it right in the bicycling world. Too hung up on having the wind in their hair...fading though it is. Wearing a motorcycle helmet on a hot day while cycling will result in heat exhaustion, possible heat stroke and/or death. Try climbing a 15% grade for several miles under your own power on a hot, humid day. Oh and if I ever see another bunch riding abreast...I'm punting them. It's illegal to do that and frankly as a bicyclist and a motorcyclist I'm sick and tired of you road hogs...be warned, be aware. Your lot is has had it's fun but your time is through, no begone foul vermin. Your posts are not as anonymous as you think. I am sure a prosecutor could make a great impression on a jury with this post at your trial for vehicular homicide. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Cyclist at war!
Tom Keats wrote:
In article , Tom Sherman writes: aka Jobst Brandt wrote: Tom Keats wrote: Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than riding motorcycles? Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the motor vehicle operators around us. We often have to do their thinking for them. We know what they're gonna do before they know what they're gonna do. Because what they're gonna do is gonna be the most detrimental thing to us if we aren't heads-up about their brainless movements. And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent choice of vehicle. I think these two postings are examples of what causes trouble on many roads. It is an elitist attitude of bicyclists who let car drivers know how much smarter they are and how much more environmentally their bicycle (recreation) is than driving a car. As I have often mentioned here, I ride on many narrow, heavily traveled roads in the Santa Cruz mountains and rarely have differences with car traffic, except when with a rider who has the elitist bicyclist mentality. I typically see less than a dozen cyclists per week while driving, and typically pass less than 10 per month, so motorists being held up by cyclists is hardly a common occurrence. Yet, the same anti-cyclist attitude can be encountered. It has nothing to do with the behavior of cyclists, and everything to do with people who grew up as privileged spoiled brats who have to have their way (literally in this case). "How dare you take your rightful share of the road!" These are the same people who run red lights, jump their turn at 4-way stops, pass on the shoulder in congested urban freeway traffic, tailgate people in the right lane with their "brights" on instead of passing to the left. What may not be apparent to many self righteous bicyclists is that their body language reveals their disdain for motorized traffic, eliciting rude and often dangerous behavior in response. As for mind reading, it doesn't take a seer to understand what the bicyclist out in the traffic lane is trying to say about his motorized fellow human. Relying on motorists to pass at a close distance is foolish, ^^^^^ ITYM "safe" distance? No, Jobst has previously posted that he is fine with motorists (e.g. London buses) passing cyclists at close distances. I do not agree with leaving such a small margin for error. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Sherman Tanks (was: Cyclist at war!)
and = Tom Sherman
Dude, real bicycles do NOT want bicycle ghetto lanes. "BananaApe Boy" does NOT speak for cyclists. =v= Neither does Tom Sherman. "Bicycle lane" promoters are either misguided or anti-cyclist. =v= That statement represents an ideology, not a consensus. Many "real" bicyclists quite reasonable hold other opinions. Judging all bicyclists by Critical Mass is like judging all motorcyclists by the handful of anti-social criminal gang members. =v= Absolute bull****. Tom Sherman's declaration of "criminal gang member" status is contradicted very directly by a number of court rulings. In the U.S., in fact, a Federal judge has in fact ruled that "Participation in the Critical Mass bike ride constitutes expressive association entitled to First Amendment protection." _Jym_ -- "There should be 1,000 of you out there, like in San Francisco." -- Oakland Mayor (and now Attorney General) Jerry Brown |
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Cyclist at war!
In article ,
Tom Sherman writes: Relying on motorists to pass at a close distance is foolish, ^^^^^ ITYM "safe" distance? No, Jobst has previously posted that he is fine with motorists (e.g. London buses) passing cyclists at close distances. I do not agree with leaving such a small margin for error. At any rate, Jobst seems to have mistaken me as one of the riders described in: http://www.bicyclepaper.com/articles..._problem__dude I suppose his misguided opinion of me and my riding is ultimately mildly amusing. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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Dyer pops off
Jym Dyer wrote:
and = Tom Sherman Dude, real bicycles do NOT want bicycle ghetto lanes. "BananaApe Boy" does NOT speak for cyclists. =v= Neither does Tom Sherman. "Bicycle lane" promoters are either misguided or anti-cyclist. =v= That statement represents an ideology, not a consensus. Many "real" bicyclists quite reasonable hold other opinions. Judging all bicyclists by Critical Mass is like judging all motorcyclists by the handful of anti-social criminal gang members. =v= Absolute bull****. Tom Sherman's declaration of "criminal gang member" status is contradicted very directly by a number of court rulings. In the U.S., in fact, a Federal judge has in fact ruled that "Participation in the Critical Mass bike ride constitutes expressive association entitled to First Amendment protection." _Jym_ |
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Cyclist at war!
In article ,
KingOfTheApes writes: On Oct 17, 9:29*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article , * * * * Tim McNamara writes: Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than riding motorcycles? Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the motor vehicle operators around us. *We often have to do their thinking for them. *We know what they're gonna do before they know what they're gonna do. *Because what they're gonna do is gonna be the most detrimental thing to us if we aren't heads-up about their brainless movements. And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent choice of vehicle. You contradict your claim to being smart when you refuse to bring here the bike facilities that work elsewhere. Streets & roads /are/ bike facilities. But it ain't so much that you are stupid, it's simply that you are elitist and are selfish as such... And yet I'm not out to plant fear into the minds of people, while you /are/! I quote here from someone who have figured out that your kind should shut up and mind your own business.. "First thing I would do would be to purge snobbish/elitist advocates from leadership or policy making positions at any publicly funded bicycling advocacy/educational organization; i.e. the clubby enthusiast type who believes cycling skill (or advocacy goals) is defined by being a racer (like himself) or a cyclist (like himself) who moves consistently at speeds greater than 12mph." http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=1#post7688868 My "kind," eh? Strike one. Snobbish/elitist advocate, eh? Strike two. Shall we go on to your strike 85? You're evilly anti-human, and I'm calling you on it. You hate bicycling because it gets in your way as a driver, and it sticks in your throat like a fishbone. You're not out to promote bicycling; you're out to restrict it. "By their fruits shall ye know them." Your fruits are distasteful and highly, bitterly spit-out-able. And you are despicable for it. It is /you/ who is not only the elitist snob, but the greedy pig doing everything you can to force everybody else out of your way as you muscle into what you perceive as the free-for-all traffic trough in which you believe non-drivers don't belong. I don't hate you. I don't pity you. It's not mine to harbour either of those sentiments. I just work around you, you odious obstacle. Just as you work against people. -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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Cyclist at war!
Tom Keats wrote:
[...] Streets & roads /are/ bike facilities.[...] HOT DOG, WE HAVE A WEINER! -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Cyclist at war!
In article ,
Tom Sherman writes: Tom Keats wrote: [...] Streets & roads /are/ bike facilities.[...] HOT DOG, WE HAVE A WEINER! Actually, that's "wiener," with the 'i" before the 'e'. Because a true wiener is a Viennese sausage, and the word wiener is etymologically, culturally and geographically associated with "Vienna." A "wiener" is a Vienner sausage. I'm not sure what a weiner is, but it sounds like somebody with a shaved head, who lies in a street gutter, clinging onto a bottle of cheap, rotgut sherry in a paper bag, while wearing lederhosen and singing tunes from Pink Floyd's The Wall, or a Teutonic version of O Canada. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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