Cyclist at war!

On Oct 17, 2:27*pm, BrianNZ wrote:
KingOfTheApes wrote:
On Oct 16, 8:10 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
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*bugbear wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:
There's only one side you can be on, if you know what I mean.
The concept of "you're either with us or against us" does not have a
noble history.
Nice summation.

"You are either with bicycles or against bicycles" sounds like a
reasonable way to draw the lines...

By the way, where do motorcyclists stand?

Just as POTUS managed to alienate a lot of support from the middle
ground with his 'with us or against us' rhetoric, so will anyone else
who tries the same thing. I don't really care about bicycles as long as
they don't block the flow of traffic.....I'm certainly not 'with' them,
so I guess I will just have to move to the other camp and start going
out of my way to make their lives more miserable.

You do realize you're trying to out-argue a mental midget who lives in
his Mom's basement, right?

On Oct 15, 8:09*pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message

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Well guys, this story happened in Georgia, but I just omitted the rest
of the title (link below) because it could have happened where I live.
And indeed it has happened to me even more scary.

snip

As both a bicyclist and a motorcyclist, I am really shocked (not really) at
the hate directed at bike riders in the above posts.

We, as motorcyclists, have more in common with bicyclists than cagers. *Like
it or not, we are on the same team.

Share the road.

Those of you complaining about riders two abreast, I hope you understand why
some of us don't tolerate Harley parades. Self righteous pricks I say. Both
of 'em.

Yeah, make fun of spandex, and I reserve the right to laugh at chaps and
leather vests. You are all a bunch of selfish people. *Me, Me, Me!

Share the road with our 2 wheeled friends. *Get off you ass and ride a bike
in traffic, I double dog dare you, are you man (or women) ennough?

All you loud pipes folks talk of freedom and rights, well, put up or shut
up. *Let the pedalers be free. *The roads belong to the people.

Share the road. *Don't be a selfish ass.

When I ride my motorcycle, I don't hold up trafic. If I'm riding
slow, I ride in the right lane. If its a 2 lane road, I pull over to
let faster traffic go by. If Im on my biciclye, I ride on the
sidewalk where I can & the bike lane wear there is one, and othewise
stayt as far to the right as I can. I don't holdpeeps up. So when I
drive my car, I get mad/frustraited when someone else (motorcycle,
bicycle, or car/truck/SUV) holds up the flow of traffic. Its
definitly more dangerous to the person doing it tho if their riding
abicycle.

On Oct 17, 4:34*pm, "Road Glidin' Don" wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:27*pm, BrianNZ wrote:





KingOfTheApes wrote:
On Oct 16, 8:10 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,

*bugbear wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote:
There's only one side you can be on, if you know what I mean.
The concept of "you're either with us or against us" does not have a
noble history.
Nice summation.

"You are either with bicycles or against bicycles" sounds like a
reasonable way to draw the lines...

By the way, where do motorcyclists stand?

Just as POTUS managed to alienate a lot of support from the middle
ground with his 'with us or against us' rhetoric, so will anyone else
who tries the same thing. I don't really care about bicycles as long as
they don't block the flow of traffic.....I'm certainly not 'with' them,
so I guess I will just have to move to the other camp and start going
out of my way to make their lives more miserable.

You do realize you're trying to out-argue a mental midget who lives in
his Mom's basement, right?- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah sure, then why are afraid to debate the issues, and always try to
dodge the bullet so to speak.

Bicyclists are in the vanguard of the revolution because the rest of
you out there burn oil from Venezuela and the Middle East and would be
happy to have a Chavez or... what's the name of Iran's president?

So we preach by example, not fly a little flag made in China.

So now where do you stand?

By the way, Chavez says we are sinking ship, but then...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins
President Chavez sees america as sinking ship
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/53087.html

***

If American ship goes down, Chinese ship goes down, and Venezuelan
ship goes does down.

That's why is better to plan the revolution around bananas, not oil!

Your own people can always eat the banana.

In article
,
Twibil wrote:

On Oct 17, 8:55*am, KingOfTheApes
wrote:

The bottom line is MAKE BIKE LANES, OR TAME TRAFFIC OR GO TO
HOLLAND.

The bottom line is:

(A) Why should the huge majority of taxpaying motorists have to give
up any of their lanes for you, much less pay their taxes to build new
ones just for you to use?

You want new lanes, pay for 'em yourselves.

Dude, like most cyclists I pay an assload of taxes that fund the roads
already. Taxes on my house, taxes on my income, taxes on the car that
sits in front of my house when I'm riding my bike. No different than
most everybody else.

(B) "Tame traffic" is just code for "make everyone else slow down to
match *MY* speed"; and the answer is "NO".

(C) I think I prefer to stay here and occasionally put the fear of
God into lane-blocking bicyclists. It's *good* for 'em!

Don't say we didn't warn you. :-D

In article
,
"Road Glidin' Don" wrote:

On Oct 17, 1:47*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article om,

*"Vito" wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote
Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than
riding motorcycles? *I think you'd need to find some way to
back up your claim.

It only seems that way to you because they think like you. People
commonly believe those more intellegent than they are stupid
simply because their higher logic is beyond them. *Your demand
that I "back up" what should be obvious to even the most casual
observer is an excellent example of that.

LOL! *Thanks for the irony.

Hey dumb****. Remember:

"I only see posts form this idiot when someone responds to him (like
you). Put him in your killfile, life is much too short to waste
telling trolls to shut up."

You feeding the same troll's thread... now THAT'S irony.

I'm not responding to the troll, knucklehead. I'm responding, in this
case, to the idiot. Mainly because it's fun watching you.

On Oct 17, 8:32*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:

(C) I think I prefer to stay here and occasionally put the fear of
God into lane-blocking bicyclists. It's *good* for 'em!

Don't say we didn't warn you. *:-D

I fear for my life while riding a bike in America. I hear Holland is
very open to political refugees...

Originally Posted by cudak888
Is that what you're advocating? If so, you ought to think twice about
your ultimatums. You're not obligated to ride as others do (legally),
but I'll be rightfully ticked off if someone tries to force their type
of riding on me.

-Kurt

***

Oh, I don't advocate moving to Holland, just that I keep getting
disapointed with the first two options, ie. bike lanes and traffic
calming.

Perhaps we can claim political prosecution upon arriving to Holland.

In article ,
Tim McNamara writes:
In article ,
bugbear wrote:

ComandanteBanana wrote:
There's only one side you can be on, if you know what I mean.

The concept of "you're either with us or against us" does not have a
noble history.

Nice summation.

I've heard that some (not all) bicycling advocacy groups
can have that ideological attitude (yer either furrous
or a Guinness) if one doesn't share their ideas of bike
lanes being slap-dashed everywhere as a "safety" panacea.

Sg't Simian here ostensibly wants bike lanes
slap-dashed everywhere as a safety panacea.
That's his purported "revolution," although
I remain convinced he just wants to frighten
bicyclists off the road. My conjecture is
supported by his prepondency to crosspost to
certain newsgroups which are guaranteed to
evoke anti-bicyclist responses from socially
inept, *-trash peckerwoo .. erm ... ~people~,
who talk about "jousting" with 2x4s from
dirty ol' pickup trucks from which a bunch
of Wendy's wrappers and fall out onto the
road off the floorboard every time a door
is opened.

Of course, there's always the other side of the coin --
those who ideologically don't want bike lanes installed
anywhere at all.

Personally I prefer a middle-of-the-road approach.
I believe bike lanes can be useful treatments in
certain localized situations. Same as left turn
bays/advanced left-turn-only lights at problem
intersections. But installing those things /everywhere/
would kill us with frustration, at needless expense.

I guess we don't need a revolution. Just some
improvement, and intelligent application, and
traffic engineers who possess some insight and
an ear & mind open to the occaisional needs of
/everybody/ who constitutes traffic, including
bicyclists. Fortunately, such creatures do exist.
All we've gotta do is identify them, and communicate
with them.

Revolutions are for when The System doesn't work.
But it's been my experience that The System
/does/ work when we approach it with arguments
that transcend "special interest," and connote
the "general good." Politicians love to take
credit for stuff that makes more people happy
than unhappy. They also like to get critics
off their backs.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

In article ,
Tim McNamara writes:
Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than riding
motorcycles?

Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the
motor vehicle operators around us. We often
have to do their thinking for them. We know what
they're gonna do before they know what they're
gonna do. Because what they're gonna do is gonna
be the most detrimental thing to us if we aren't
heads-up about their brainless movements.

And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent
choice of vehicle.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Oct 17, 9:15*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

Revolutions are for when The System doesn't work.
But it's been my experience that The System
/does/ work when we approach it with arguments
that transcend "special interest," and connote
the "general good." *Politicians love to take
credit for stuff that makes more people happy
than unhappy. *They also like to get critics
off their backs.

cheers,
* * * * Tom

I don't know. I feel like taking desperate steps...

Can I claim political refugee in Holland if I fear for my life while
riding a bike in America? I know they welcome refugees from all over
the world, even those who don't respect Dutch open ways toward
democracy.

I could actually prove that I promote the Dutch model for America and
other uncivilized places where cyclists are routinely harassed,
prosecuted and spit upon.

What do you think?

On Oct 17, 9:28*pm, Twibil wrote:

Don't say we didn't warn you. *:-D

Feel free. Any time 200 pounds of bicyclist+bike decide to argue with
700+ pounds of motorcyclist, or, better yet, 3,000+ pounds of
automobile, they're going to lose.

Isn't that the Law of the Jungle?

I've been hesitating to go into the jungle lately.