Don't hassle me - I'm riding my bike

On 7/3/2020 10:33 PM, AK wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:50:05 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It's very sad when bicyclists feel like they need to pack a gun on a ride.

If their neighbors are that dangerous, they oughta move.

I agree. I once lived in a neighborhood with a dangerous neighbor,
although that had nothing to do with bicycling. We did move, and were
much happier afterwards.

As I've often said, I get very, very little problems from motorists or
anyone else. I had colleagues at our city-center university who said
they were afraid driving their cars home through the city after night
classes. Yet I rode my bike with no trouble.

There's a lot of paranoia in America these days.

--
- Frank Krygowski

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:29:52 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

I've got one right now (bib overalls). Anyone wearing 5 pocket jeans
has one as well, although it might be a little skimpy for a 3"
pistol.

Is this a style sort of thing? Bib Overalls? I haven't seen those for
50 years or so and when they were common they were, like a mechanic's
"coveralls", primarily work clothing. I certainly don't remember
seeing farm folks in town for the Saturday shopping wearing overalls.
As for 5 pocket jeans, I guess the Levi's 501 still have a watch
pocket :-)

What made you think I was in town for Saturday shopping? Pants are
totally optional when posting on Usenet, so a person might as well be
comfortable.

But more to the point, are Levi's 501 or bib overalls, for that
matter, acceptable bicycling clothes :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.


--

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 12:38:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 11:40 PM, John B. wrote:

I suppose it is unfortunate but I grew up in an era when a gentleman
didn't wear blue jeans. In fact schools forbid them being worn when
attending classes.

But I suppose in an effort to show that one is just "one of the herd"
so to speak, for those that have never actually engage in physical
work, "work" clothes are now de rigueur. Just as walking about with a
two day growth of beard is macho. Scruffy is now high fashion.

And fashion is weird and powerful!

One benefit of the current trend: It doesn't take a lot of effort to be
a bit better dressed than most of the crowd. I usually don't care much
about that, but if I'm going to a meeting of any kind, I think looking
neater than the rest still confers a bit of subconscious advantage.

Over here foreigners are required to report to Immigration quarterly
to verify their residence and I've noticed that individuals wearing
slacks and a button down the front shirt seem to be treated more
politely by the Immigration Officials than those wearing dirty shorts
and a ripped tee shirt :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 12:39:27 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 9:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2020 8:21 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 7/3/2020 6:50 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/



Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets.* Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem.* Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg


Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

You don't?? That's it, buddy - your retrogrouch card is revoked!

Actually, the shorts I'm wearing as I type this have even better. It's
an additional side pocket sized for a cell phone. One of those pistols
could easily fit there. Not that I ride far in these...


But side pockets and or (what do they call 'em?) britches with pockets
on the legs? "Cargo Pants? Aren't "watch pockets. Unless, of course
you consider an alarm clock a "watch" :-)

And besides the traditional method for a gentleman to carry a "pocket"
pistol is in his vest pocket. Ladies, of course, can easily carry one
in their muff :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.


Oh dear how our language has changed.

Gresham's Law applies to language too.


I've always found it interesting how some words just can't be used in
polite society while other words meaning exactly the same thing are
perfectly acceptable. My original theory was that Anglo-Saxon terms
may have been superceded by Norman French terms in the ruling classes
in England after the Battle of Hastings but I'm not certain that is
still true today as Andrew's sly comments about "muff" seem to
demonstrate.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:54:15 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:29:52 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

John B. writes:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 17:12:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/3/2020 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/3/2020 3:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 8:47:36 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
https://710wor.iheart.com/content/20...rage-incident/


Detroit needs a mayor who will campaign donating Chinese
safety flasher toys
to anyone in sight.

With any luck some jerks will take the lesson to heart.

Like, "Don't go into a Detroit traffic argument armed
with a knife!"

Exactly, the driver should have been pack'n. It should
have been some Quentin Tarantino-esqe shootout.

This definitely proves the superiority of handlebar
baskets. Just keep your Glock in there with your posies
and donettes.

Well, there's a tradeoff between a handlebar basket and a
handlebar bag. With the basket, the gun's easily visible but
it bounces around. Sometimes it slides under the donettes,
slowing your draw time.

The handlebar bag can have a special holster pocket. But
then there are tradeoffs between an inside pocket over an
outside pocket. Inside for concealed carry, but you lose a
second flipping the bag open. Outside for open carry, but
some people get touchy about that.

Being a good-old-boy American bicyclist can be complicated!
That's why most of them drive pickups.


Cyclists's pistols were a very common accessory at one time.
It's not an overly complex problem. Upscale model at 12
shillings:

https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/wp...ist-pistol.jpg

Well you obviously can't use that one. After all it says "easily
carried in watch pocket" and who has a "watch pocket" any more?

I've got one right now (bib overalls). Anyone wearing 5 pocket jeans
has one as well, although it might be a little skimpy for a 3"
pistol.

Is this a style sort of thing? Bib Overalls? I haven't seen those for
50 years or so and when they were common they were, like a mechanic's
"coveralls", primarily work clothing. I certainly don't remember
seeing farm folks in town for the Saturday shopping wearing overalls.
As for 5 pocket jeans, I guess the Levi's 501 still have a watch
pocket :-)

What made you think I was in town for Saturday shopping? Pants are
totally optional when posting on Usenet, so a person might as well be
comfortable.

Well when do you do your shopping? Or are you unemployed so that you
can go shopping every day although being unemployed you probably can't
afford to go shopping :-(


But more to the point, are Levi's 501 or bib overalls, for that
matter, acceptable bicycling clothes :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:

What made you think I was in town for Saturday shopping? Pants are
totally optional when posting on Usenet, so a person might as well be
comfortable.

Pants are now totally optional for shopping! You just sit in front of
your computer, click on your choice, and send your money to Jeff Bezos.



- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 18:57:04 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Saturday, July 4, 2020 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:

What made you think I was in town for Saturday shopping? Pants are
totally optional when posting on Usenet, so a person might as well be
comfortable.

Pants are now totally optional for shopping! You just sit in front of
your computer, click on your choice, and send your money to Jeff Bezos.

- Frank Krygowski


However... it may be a personal trait but I find it so much easier to
resist buying some over priced POS when I have to actually take the
money out of my pocket and put it down there on the counter :-)
(a penny saved IS a penny earned. Particularly when you invest it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 05:52:27 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Over here foreigners are required to report to Immigration quarterly
to verify their residence and I've noticed that individuals wearing
slacks and a button down the front shirt seem to be treated more
politely by the Immigration Officials than those wearing dirty shorts
and a ripped tee shirt :-)

When I was working in Silly Clone Valley as an engineer, I discovered
that unless I was appropriately dressed, I couldn't get anyone to do
anything for me. Dressed in my usual dirty jeans, mismatched shirt,
and cowboy boots, I would ask the techs or other engineers to do this
or that and be ignored. However, if I wore clean slacks, polished
dress shoes, a clean shirt, and most important, a tie, it was "Yes
sir" and "Right away sir". If I really wanted something really
important, I would wear a clean lab coat.

Observation: It's the uniform that gets the respect, not the man
wearing it.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:10:49 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 05:52:27 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Over here foreigners are required to report to Immigration quarterly
to verify their residence and I've noticed that individuals wearing
slacks and a button down the front shirt seem to be treated more
politely by the Immigration Officials than those wearing dirty shorts
and a ripped tee shirt :-)

When I was working in Silly Clone Valley as an engineer, I discovered
that unless I was appropriately dressed, I couldn't get anyone to do
anything for me. Dressed in my usual dirty jeans, mismatched shirt,
and cowboy boots, I would ask the techs or other engineers to do this
or that and be ignored. However, if I wore clean slacks, polished
dress shoes, a clean shirt, and most important, a tie, it was "Yes
sir" and "Right away sir". If I really wanted something really
important, I would wear a clean lab coat.

Observation: It's the uniform that gets the respect, not the man
wearing it.

Years and years ago I came across a book that went into considerable
detail about how your dress causes others to react. The author first
describes a scene where a bloke wearing a wildly checked suit,
"brogan" shoes and an orange necktie meets a bloke with a dark blue
three piece suit, white shirt, French Cuffs with smallish links and a
dark red tie.

He then points out that he doesn't have to tell you that the first
character was a rube from the sticks and the other a successful
banker.

In business, in Indonesia, when I worked there, an Engineer could wear
a short sleeved white shirt and might wear a necktie, or not, and
could have a pocket protector with several pencils and pens in his
shirt pocket. A Manager wore a long sleeved white shirt, conservative
tie and perhaps one, probably gold plated, pen in his pocket.

Even wris****ches were indicative of one's position. A multi dial
tells the wind direction and humidity watch was obviously an
engineer's timepiece while a conservative Rolex, was the mark of the
Manager.



--
Cheers,

John B.

Am 04.07.2020 um 05:02 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 08:01:52 +0700, John B.
wrote:

As for 5 pocket jeans, I guess the Levi's 501 still have a watch
pocket :-)

At some time in the distant past, the "fob pocket" may have been used
as a watch pocket. Today, more like a coin or condom pocket:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/small-pocket-jeans-watches-cowboys_n_56a7720ce4b0b87beec5eb5f
More than you probably wanted to know:
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-our-jeans-have-a-tiny-pocket-just-above-the-front-pocket-Was-it-something-useful-that-was-added-or-is-it-just-a-fashion-thing

Am I unique in mostly buying pants that have a "key pocket"? My house
keys live in that pocket, and when I wear pant without them, I need to
search an awfully long time where the key is.

I understand that car drivers can't use their pockets this way because
car keys plus house keys are too large, so car keys tend to live in a
bowl or drawer...