jobstian fretting bull****

i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to thereby
prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon. and that's why modern lubricants
[among other means] can significantly mitigate the problem. [true
brinelling is a whole different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and stop
propagating his bull****. but i fear that day may not precede his
departure from this earth.

Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"jim beam" wrote in message
t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon. and that's why modern
lubricants [among other means] can significantly mitigate the problem.
[true brinelling is a whole different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a bike,
he lives for riding his bike. More so than for posting on this group.
When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about what ride
he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is likely to
out-live many of us.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On Jun 18, 4:33*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA"jim beam" wrote in message

t...





i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon. *and that's why modern
lubricants [among other means] can significantly mitigate the problem.
[true brinelling is a whole different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. *but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a bike,
he lives for riding his bike. More so than for posting on this group.
When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about what ride
he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is likely to
out-live many of us.

Assuming the guy who owns that oft-pictured monster truck does not
squash him on Foothill Expressway out of spite. Or someone with chrome
"spinners" and a heavily tinted windshield. They've been listening.
They know where he lives. -- Jay Beattie.

On Jun 19, 12:41*am, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Jun 18, 4:33*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:



Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA"jim beam" wrote in message

et...

i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon. *and that's why modern
lubricants [among other means] can significantly mitigate the problem..
[true brinelling is a whole different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. *but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a bike,
he lives for riding his bike. More so than for posting on this group.
When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about what ride
he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is likely to
out-live many of us.

Assuming the guy who owns that oft-pictured monster truck does not
squash him on Foothill Expressway out of spite. Or someone with chrome
"spinners" and a heavily tinted windshield. *They've been listening.
They know where he lives. -- Jay Beattie.

Living dangerously keeps one young. -- Andre Jute

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"jim beam" wrote in message
t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon. and that's why modern
lubricants [among other means] can significantly mitigate the problem.
[true brinelling is a whole different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a bike,
he lives for riding his bike.

i live for eating food. that doesn't make me a farmer, butcher, star
chef or even waiter. jobst is an insulting "engineering" joke. that he
happens to ride a bike does NOTHING to mitigate that.


More so than for posting on this group.
When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about what ride
he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is likely to
out-live many of us.

don't worry - his old engineering professors have the spit fired up and
waiting after all the shame he's caused them.

In article ,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "jim beam" wrote in
message t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

"jim" is citing a patent as fundamental literature now?

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon.

I don't recall you ever saying that before. Mainly you've contended
that false Brinelling is actually real Brinelling caused by hitting
bumps.

and that's why modern lubricants [among other means] can
significantly mitigate the problem. [true brinelling is a whole
different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

And when is "jim" going to learn something and stop propagating bovine
excrement?

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a
bike, he lives for riding his bike. More so than for posting on this
group. When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about
what ride he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is
likely to out-live many of us.

And have more fun doing it than many people in the newsgroup, judging by
their posts.

Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "jim beam" wrote in
message t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

"jim" is citing a patent as fundamental literature now?

er, not all research lit is online timmy. but patents are derived from
research and they /are/ online. ****ing retard.



so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon.

I don't recall you ever saying that before.

that's because you're a ****ing retard!


Mainly you've contended
that false Brinelling is actually real Brinelling caused by hitting
bumps.

er, timmy, why don't you read and think before you open your mouth and
let the sheer lack of comprehension out? oh, wait, you can't...



and that's why modern lubricants [among other means] can
significantly mitigate the problem. [true brinelling is a whole
different matter of course.]

i live in hope that one day jobst will actually learn something and
stop propagating his bull****. but i fear that day may not precede
his departure from this earth.

And when is "jim" going to learn something and stop propagating bovine
excrement?

Jobst has one thing over many of us here. He doesn't just ride a
bike, he lives for riding his bike. More so than for posting on this
group. When he gets up in the morning, I'll bet he's thinking about
what ride he's going to do today, not newsgroup responses. Jobst is
likely to out-live many of us.

And have more fun doing it than many people in the newsgroup, judging by
their posts.

don't go near any lemmings timmy. especially not if there are any
cliffs about. because when you sycophantically and stupidly regurgitate
other people's mistakes, you're no better than one.

On Jun 17, 10:12*pm, jim beam wrote:
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:
[snipped patent language]

It really doesn't matter what it says, it's just someone's opinion.
The fact that it is in a patent doesn't change that.
The patentee is entitled, within bounds, to espouse whatever theory he/
she relying upon in defining his/her invention.
That doesn't prove that the theory is accurate. By the same token, the
fact that someone (anyone - with initials JB or jb, for example) sets
forth a theory in a newsgroup does not make that accurate either.

And theories do not become more accurate with repetition nor by being
proclaimed with greater pedantry, volume, vigor or profanity.

DR

Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "jim beam" wrote in
message t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

"jim" is citing a patent as fundamental literature now?

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon.

I don't recall you ever saying that before. Mainly you've contended
that false Brinelling is actually real Brinelling caused by hitting
bumps.

Of course he could link to the archive & prove it.


What the patent says:

"Conventionally, hub units for mounting a wheel and a brace disc are
used on vehicles such as automobiles. When vehicles such as automobiles
are transported by cargo-trains or boats etc., minute vibrations are
subjected to hub units mounted on the vehicles, whereby fretting wear is
generated, producing wear dust, this producing false brinelling on
raceway portions Then, wear dust is oxidized to become iron oxide, and
iron oxide so produced promotes the wear further, resulting in expansion
of false brinelling."

All but the last sentence is what Jobst has been saying all along, but
of course Jobst describes fretting residue as "rouge", obviously oxides.

and that's why modern lubricants [among other means] can
significantly mitigate the problem. [true brinelling is a whole
different matter of course.]

Sure, that's why this guy is filing a patent -- because "modern"
lubricants prevent oxidation

What the patent filer doesn't do is cite any source that proves that
oxidation either accelerates false brinelling or that oxidation can be
effectively stopped if it does. Even if he did, it wouldn't invalidate
anything Jobst said.

Peter Cole wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "jim beam" wrote in
message t...
i missed a prior post, so i'll take care of it now...

from: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0169868.html

we read:

"...reducing the amount of oxygen in the interior of the hub to
thereby prevent the occurrence of fretting wear"

"jim" is citing a patent as fundamental literature now?

so, i've said it before and i'll say it again, false brinelling is
predominantly an oxidation phenomenon.

I don't recall you ever saying that before. Mainly you've contended
that false Brinelling is actually real Brinelling caused by hitting
bumps.

Of course he could link to the archive & prove it.


What the patent says:

"Conventionally, hub units for mounting a wheel and a brace disc are
used on vehicles such as automobiles. When vehicles such as automobiles
are transported by cargo-trains or boats etc., minute vibrations are
subjected to hub units mounted on the vehicles, whereby fretting wear is
generated, producing wear dust, this producing false brinelling on
raceway portions Then, wear dust is oxidized to become iron oxide, and
iron oxide so produced promotes the wear further, resulting in expansion
of false brinelling."

All but the last sentence is what Jobst has been saying all along, but
of course Jobst describes fretting residue as "rouge", obviously oxides.

and that's why modern lubricants [among other means] can
significantly mitigate the problem. [true brinelling is a whole
different matter of course.]

Sure, that's why this guy is filing a patent -- because "modern"
lubricants prevent oxidation

What the patent filer doesn't do is cite any source that proves that
oxidation either accelerates false brinelling or that oxidation can be
effectively stopped if it does. Even if he did, it wouldn't invalidate
anything Jobst said.

ah, peter cole. where have you been for so long? and why didn't you
boher to check your facts? ]rhetorical] it's obviously not because you
don't have the time given that you're prepared to sit there and write
crap rather than type "google" "effect of oxygen on false brinelling"
into your browser.